FAO GordyR/anyone with a bit of info on supplements

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To get to the point I'v been eating just pasta for some time, no meat at all, and in just 10 days I'v lost enough weight to clearly see my freaking ribcage lol :eek: I don't want to put on weight (well not much anyway) I just want something to, say, mix with my mornign glass of milk to give me what I would get from meat, something that doesn't require me to go to the gym right after I'v had it, if that makes sence.

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If you want more protein reflex is the stuff. It doesent have many calories in though so if you want that get something like Reflew instant mass or ProMass. Or if you really want you could always get a meal replacement.

Honestly though i don't think having a supplement is the answer. Why are you not eating properly? Having a proper diet will be much more benificial especially with regards to vitamins etc.
 
I'm a bit confused as to why you are eating nothing but pasta pyro. Do you not like meat? Vegetarian? Were you trying to lose weight?

We need a bit more info to be honest. From what you have given us it just looks like you need to be eating better. If you are not working out then there is no need to use supplements.

If however there is a valid reason as to why you cannot eat meat then getting yourself some whey protein is a good idea. But I would forget all that for now and start eating properly first mate.
 
I want to stop all the fried meat for a bit, I always (used to) eat takeaways, no salads or fruits, I just want to detox from all that. I'v started eating a few apples a day, eating salds, and I just want to cut on meat a bit. It's just that when I don't eat meat, I really do feel as if I don't get enough energy, the other day I was helping in moving some heavy stuff around (empty beer kegs) and while I could usualy cary 4 at the time I was struggling with just one!
 
grilled red meat, poached salmon, pan fried with a drop of olive oil isnt that bad on lean meat.

add say tuna tinned in brine (not oil) to your pasta.

why remove all protein because you eat too many takeaways? i dont see the logic.
 
Your body is probably in starvation mode and eating all your muscle away, thats why you've lost weight. I could be wrong though?

Just something I heard.
 
pyro said:
I want to stop all the fried meat for a bit, I always (used to) eat takeaways, no salads or fruits, I just want to detox from all that. I'v started eating a few apples a day, eating salds, and I just want to cut on meat a bit. It's just that when I don't eat meat, I really do feel as if I don't get enough energy, the other day I was helping in moving some heavy stuff around (empty beer kegs) and while I could usualy cary 4 at the time I was struggling with just one!

Thats your problem there matey. Rather than replace fried, fatty meat with better varieties you have just cut it out completely. Big mistake.

I'm not surprised your strength has gone down considerably since protein is so important to our muscles. Don't worry though begin eating properly and you will be sorted out in no time.

Your problem is a common one. Your diet was basically very high in fat. 1 gram of fat equals 9 calories compared with 4 calories per gram for carbs/protein. You have drastically reduced your saturated fat intake which is a very good thing, however your overall calorie intake is now likely very low since you have failed to increase your carbs/protein to compensate.

When you cut out all the rubbish food you actually find that you can eat a lot more food overall in a given day. This might help you understand what I mean better.


Okay lets imagine you are eating 2500 calories per day and are burning 2500 calories per day. Therefore you are neither losing weight nor gaining it. However you are eating very unhealthy foods, a lot of takeaways and fried stuff. Therefore your calories might for arguments sake be split in to the following values:

Protein - 400 calories
Carbohydrates - 800 calories
Fat - 1300 calories

Total = 2500 calories per day.

However you have since realised that its not very healthy and have cut out all your fried foods and takeaways which has reduced your fat intake down to say 500 calories per day. Great. Except that your daily calorie intake is now only 1700 per day.

Not only did you cut the fat but you also cut your protein out because you used to get your protein from fatty, fried sources. Therefore you daily protein intake is more like 100 calories and your overall calorific intake is down to 1300! :eek:

You say that you have been eating a few apples a day so that has probably pushed your carb intake up a tad. Perhaps up to 1000 calories per day so now your overall calorific intake is at 1500.


Now remember what happens if you are consuming less calories per day than you are burning? You lose weight. You are burning up 2500 calories per day yet you are only eating 1500. Your body has to find the other 1000 calories from somewhere so it hits your fat and muscle stores and uses those for fuel. Since your protein intake is so drastically low you will probably find that a very high percentage of the weight loss is muscle. Not good at all mate.

On top of all this you would be eating 1000 calories below your maintenance level which will slow your metabolism dramatically and put your body in to starvation mode.


You got off to a good start by getting rid of the saturated fats but you need to eat a lot more lean meat for protein and more complex carbs to get your calories up to an acceptable level. If you are struggling to get enough meat in then by all means grab yourself some whey protein and have a shake or two a day but you would be much better off eating whole foods.

I hope this has helped you understand where you went wrong mate. Any other questions just let me know. :)
 
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Yeah I see what you guys mean, I just didn't expect the reaction to be so fast, I literaly feel like an old lady! I mean I used to be able to (easily) lift two big kegs, that must be around 15k each, now I find that impossible!

What sort of meat should I be eating then? Is tuna (from the can) with pasta ok? Or maybe, say, 4 times a week a grilled stake, all that with a couple of shakes of whey?

Because I can't keep going like this, I had a big mac meal today (for a change!) and I was full! I could eat two of meals, and a couple of apple pies before getting full!

And what sort of fruits will help? Bananas and apples are ok?

Thanks guys :)

ps. I also do 3 sets of 10 push ups/pull ups and abs every morning when I get up and right before I go to bed (although lately I have been slacking...) and that seems hard work now as well :/
 
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pyro said:
Yeah I see what you guys mean, I just didn't expect the reaction to be so fast, I literaly feel like an old lady! I mean I used to be able to (easily) lift two big kegs, that must be around 15k each, now I find that impossible!

It sounds like you are suffering from a severe calorie defecit. You need to eat more, plain and simple!

pyro said:
What sort of meat should I be eating then? Is tuna (from the can) with pasta ok? Or maybe, say, 4 times a week a grilled stake, all that with a couple of shakes of whey?

Chicken breast, Ham, Beef, Fish, whatever... Just steer away from fried stuff as much as possible.

pyro said:
Because I can't keep going like this, I had a big mac meal today (for a change!) and I was full! I could eat two of meals, and a couple of apple pies before getting full!

This is because your metabolism has slowed down so dramatically. It will speed up again over time and your apetite will get back to normal within a few days of eating properly.

pyro said:
And what sort of fruits will help? Bananas and apples are ok?

Yep... But don't go overboard with the fruit. Remember it is very sugary. Get most of your carbs from rice, pasta, potatoes, wholemeal bread etc...


pyro said:
ps. I also do 3 sets of 10 push ups/pull ups and abs every morning when I get up and right before I go to bed (although lately I have been slacking...) and that seems hard work now as well :/

As I said you are in a severe calorie defecit. This is completely normal when you starve yourself. Just eat properly and you'll be fine.
 
So as long as I combine pasta or rice with meat or fish am gonna be fine, right? And, with better eating, what sort of suplement should I be getting? I am thinking of having my milk with whatever am gonna get, plus a baguette with salad and ham in it, and a banana or an apple for breakfast.
 
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