FAO Scuzi - ATCO Questions

I've given serious thought to working for NATS.

I was all set on getting my name down for the entrance exam (which doesn't look too difficult as it happens) when I realised they wanted me to spend nearly a year in Bournemouth.

No chance.
 
I've given serious thought to working for NATS.

I was all set on getting my name down for the entrance exam (which doesn't look too difficult as it happens) when I realised they wanted me to spend nearly a year in Bournemouth.

No chance.

LOL, Bournemouth is fine...unless you just meant you don't fancy moving from Yorkshire for 'just' a year.

InvG
 
Aye Bournemouth wasn't bad, just as long as you avoided Boscombe. I lived in Christchurch which was a nice spot.
 
My parents always thought I'd be a good air traffic controller for some reason.
I thought about it for a while, but never really seriously. I didn't realise the pay was quite that good though!
Thankfully I picked a fairly lucrative career anyway!
 
LOL, Bournemouth is fine...unless you just meant you don't fancy moving from Yorkshire for 'just' a year.

InvG

It's not particularly Bournemouth that bothers me - it's the fact that they only have one college, and it's as far away from the north as possible, short of putting it on Jersey.

There's no way I could be away from my baby boy for that period of time, no job in the world is worth that I'm afraid.
 
It's not particularly Bournemouth that bothers me - it's the fact that they only have one college, and it's as far away from the north as possible, short of putting it on Jersey.

There's no way I could be away from my baby boy for that period of time, no job in the world is worth that I'm afraid.

You probably wouldn't have been able to get a position up north anyway, you'd most likely get posted to Swanwick hence having to relocate permanently.

I moved from N. Ireland which was scary as I had just turned 19 :p
 
It's not particularly Bournemouth that bothers me - it's the fact that they only have one college, and it's as far away from the north as possible, short of putting it on Jersey.

There's no way I could be away from my baby boy for that period of time, no job in the world is worth that I'm afraid.

Yeah, that's fair enough, just wasn't sure if it was a crack at Bournemouth it's self (can't really blame people for it mind :p) or for a more mature reason. Turns out to be the latter, which is good. :)

InvG
 
I don't blame you! They're not really controllers anyway, I mean, all they do is departuress and recoveries!
amirite??

[/controller based geekery]

Bloody spotters, there's a reason their training barely takes half the time ;)
 
You probably wouldn't have been able to get a position up north anyway, you'd most likely get posted to Swanwick hence having to relocate permanently.

I moved from N. Ireland which was scary as I had just turned 19 :p

I mentioned to the missus about the possibility of moving down south beforehand to minimise any disruption. The notion was met with the same look as I get when I ask her to put the maid's uniform on when she's doing the housework.
 
I mentioned to the missus about the possibility of moving down south beforehand to minimise any disruption. The notion was met with the same look as I get when I ask her to put the maid's uniform on when she's doing the housework.

Gleeful acceptance?
 
Just noticed this thread - what a gem!

mugwuffin - i've just been through the college training to be an ATCO and have been at Swanwick for about a month and a half now, on Lakes and North Sea... I knew your dad - white haired fella? Didnt have much to do with him as I'm an area controller tho...

Any more questions about training from anyone, and I'll try and answer them as soon as I can... might be able to put a (slightly) more up to date slant on a few things!
 
Well in that case MrFunex, here's my question from earlier in the thread...

Scuzi, I went to a testing day (or whatever the first interview type thing they give you is called) at NATS about seven years ago now, when I was 17 and passed everything except the spatial awareness. Do you know if they're still doing the same testing as back then (I see no reason why they'd change it)? Don't suppose they give you any tips about improving spatial awareness you could pass on? :)
 
Masterdog,

The aptitude tests do indeed still contain spatial awareness stuff. There were, when I applied, 3 separate testing days broken down as follows

1 - Spatial awareness (choosing which of the shown 'nets' would fold up to make the shown cube), dyslexia tests, literacy and numeracy, colour blindness, tests to spot repeating letters in a sequence, and letter combinations. Useful in the real world, as it's tempting to get the callsigns DLH123 and DHL123 confused when you're under pressure! The first, of course, being Lufthansa and the second DHL.. :rolleyes:

2 - A scripted interview (must be something to do with HR, they ask everyone the exact same 60 questions; questions about challenges you've overcome, how you solved certain things in previous jobs - nothing to do with ATC at all, in fact). We also had reams of computer programs to work through to test your ability to multitask. There was a very simple version of a radar in front of you and you had to solve potential conflictions given a set of rules as quickly as you could. Later on you had to do the same, but at the crucial moment had to solve a maths problem at the same time. Other tests analysed your reaction times, that sort of thing. Nothing you cant handle if you play lots of computer games!!

3 - A second interview day. This time, we had an interview with a valid ATCO and a HR person. We'd been given a 30-ish page document about how ATC works in it's simplest terms and we were tested on this as well as working through any background knowledge we may have had. It seemed that they were a lot easier on people with no aviation experience compared with, say, those who had previously been military controllers or ATC assistants. We also played a game of their own devising, not unlike snakes and ladders, but with lots of complicated rules to move "planes" around a board and land them in the correct order. It's difficult to explain, but it basically tested teamwork. All the 6 people who were there with me on that interview day passed, and almost all were o the same course as me at the college in Bournemouth.

3a - Medical tests. All the usual things, but done to a very high standard. ATCOs have to hold a class A medical. I had colour blindness tests, blood pressure, heart monitors, ECG, hearing tests, vision tests, weight, height measurements, drugs tests, lung capacity....the full works...

Wow, think this is the most I've every typed! Hope that answers a few of your questions! Oh, and the starting salary is £10K, with £60 a week acommodation allowance. If you're good with money, dont have a family to support and run a cheap car, it can be done! When I first started, we didnt even get the acommodation pay....:eek:

As to pointers about help on the spatial reasoning stuff, that link that itsallaboutyou posted is exactly what I was harping on about. If you can practice stuff like that.... I can't think of any hints or tips as such, its a weird thing, you can wither do it, or you can't.. Good thing is, NATS let you apply 3 times for the job, so get re-applying if you're keen!

Just another thought - if you want more of those sample question papers to practice... have you tried emailing the HR people.... email address is on the website...
 
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Just to add to what Scuzi says.

I agree with just about everything he says there. The problem as I see it at the moment is the poor starting salary. NATS wants to attract quality candidates who are changing career. However I don't see many going for 10k plus living expenses.

When I started it was equivalent to 25k a year as 400 quid a month was tax free.
I wouldn't mind betting this will change soon because NATS changes it's policy on recruitment all the time (because no matter what happens we don't get enough people of sufficient ability) .

I'm looking at the ATCO pay scale for 1/1/08 at the moment. The bottom rung on the pay scale is effectively what Scuzi says once you've added in anti social hours payments. As mentioned you get a "spine point" every april. You join the bottom rung 2 years after leaving the college provided you've qualified obviously. Thereafter it will take 12 years to reach the top of the scale. However
you do get "jumps" for things like becoming an instructor or an examiner. (I never had the pleasure of instructing Scuzi though...different sector :) )

So as Scuzi says 8-10 years when you account for becoming an instructor and the odd free jump due to union negotiation on pay ;)

Top of the scale at the moment with allowances is around 90k. With overtime this could rise a few grand easily.

Leave is great too. After you've been with the company a while your leave goes up. I have over 40 days leave this year. Bearing in mind you only need to use 6 days leave to get away for two weeks it stretches out well.

Edit. P.S. I forgot about the payment for being an instructor. You get paid every quarter for doing it as well. A few hundred quid lump sum plus an amount based on the amount of hours you did instructing. Personally I've had up to 700 quid on top of my take home. So with this included you really are looking at 100k for top of the scale.
 
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Just noticed this thread - what a gem!

mugwuffin - i've just been through the college training to be an ATCO and have been at Swanwick for about a month and a half now, on Lakes and North Sea... I knew your dad - white haired fella? Didnt have much to do with him as I'm an area controller tho...

Any more questions about training from anyone, and I'll try and answer them as soon as I can... might be able to put a (slightly) more up to date slant on a few things!

There's a good spread of knowledge on here then.

You're the most current, Scuzi has just done the hard part and I've been riding the gravy train for a while...LOL
 
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