Soldato
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yeah id be very sceptical of channel 5 and its facts and figures when it comes to what someone actually gets in cash and what they get in total benefits. normally programs like this lump everything in and just say benefits. so theres a good chance in that £1500 theres council tax and rent.
not saying the way they are livings right, not by a long shot but i doubt they are as well off as the program makes them out to be.
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Gas, electricity, water, council tax / bedroom tax, rent, tv licence, any debts / creditors and whatever other bills there are. then theres the price of clothes being specially made for those that are very obese.. there's a whole host of stuff cash goes on and £1500 may sound like a massive amount to some but it's not like everything else is free and she's pocketing the lot.
Some here seem to be under the illusion that she's having a great life and of course the benefit haters brigade are always the 1st to suggest these things be taken away regardless of what happens to the person after that as it's not their life it's someone else's. why not just give her a lethal injection and then the 00000000001% or whatever that comes out your tax to support these people will come back to your pocket and make all the difference yes?
Should she try and lose weight and get help? of course but there's so many different issues be they physical, financial or mental that far too many are quick to point the finger and demonise those less fortunate than themselves.
It's a heartless world we live in, no wonder so many people kill themselves.
well it is quite simple in her situation - given that she is bed ridden and can't physically go out to buy food her husband could just feed her less... no need for expensive operations due to her lack of willpower, there is a third party here who could act as a gatekeeper but is instead choosing to carry on feeding her
Surely there is a better reason to NOT have this than saving face....
"O no I'm so embarrassed to use a specific card / method to get my hand outs from the government, where is my dignity"
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The trouble is people saying "I could never be like that etc" because you have to put yourself in their shoes and see what physical and mental problems they have.
Personally I'd move them to an area with no takeaways etc, only health food shops and leave them to it. Any fast food places I'd put a sanction on them, and a camera front and back of the house, and fine the company £1,000s if they deliver.
This is assuming it is not a physical problem and if it is a mental problem I'd do the same thing except they'd have a mental case worker to support them.
Win/win - money in fines and people sorted so off benefits and in work.
Personally I'd move them to an area with no takeaways etc, only health food shops and leave them to it. Any fast food places I'd put a sanction on them, and a camera front and back of the house, and fine the company £1,000s if they deliver.
This is assuming it is not a physical problem and if it is a mental problem I'd do the same thing except they'd have a mental case worker to support them.
Win/win - money in fines and people sorted so off benefits and in work.
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"O no I'm so embarrassed to use a specific card / method to get my hand outs from the government, where is my dignity"
Exactly. Are you saying genuinely disabled people don't deserve dignity? Making them buy groceries with benefits cards is not the answer due to the stigma, the black market for goods on them and counterfeiting.
Better education with managing money is what's needed, not benefits cards or vouchers. This way they will be better at managing their finances if they ever do work again.
people who are disabled because they chose to eat too much ought to be obliged to make changes in return for the funding they receive... you could escalate it based on their progress but bottom line is when you're paying them benefits and having to pay someone else to look after them and it is something they could correct by changing their lifestyle then the current system of just paying them the money with no strings attached isn't a good one
could start off with them being given advice/help with planning a diet etc.. and certain goals they need to achieve but, if after 6 months, it isn't working then escalate it to their spending being monitored or controlled until they can get on track again. Self inflicted disabilities like being too fat which can be treated should be run more along the lines of JSA with the aim being for the claimant to be on the benefit temporarily and take steps towards coming off it.
could start off with them being given advice/help with planning a diet etc.. and certain goals they need to achieve but, if after 6 months, it isn't working then escalate it to their spending being monitored or controlled until they can get on track again. Self inflicted disabilities like being too fat which can be treated should be run more along the lines of JSA with the aim being for the claimant to be on the benefit temporarily and take steps towards coming off it.
yeah as long as its not run like the JSA and job centres as to be honest having someone just abuse you when they are trying to help you sort yourself out no matter why your in the condition you are will not be productive at all.
They've tried this in the USA. Administering all the different things a family needs as vouchers is more expensive and inevitably causes difficulties for the recipients than simply giving a sum of money.
yeah i agree with the idea, would no doubt save millions on the nhs a year as well as free up gp's from people going in with non serious issues. but if any gov tried it you would have people screaming from the rooftops nanny state.
maybe if schools educated better it could change but again that can vary drastically from school to school so who knows how well that would eventually work out.
maybe if schools educated better it could change but again that can vary drastically from school to school so who knows how well that would eventually work out.
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We all know the solution is to wheel out the fatties into the village square to be mocked and poked with long sticks.
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Dowie, you might wanna take that image down. It says on the right on a red background: "it's not ****ing rocket science monthly".
If I believed the propaganda being spewed out about welfare benefits, I'd go on the dole tomorrow. If even most of it was true, being on the dole would be far better than most jobs.
But it isn't true, so I'll have to keep working.
But it isn't true, so I'll have to keep working.
Somehow I think that'll be lost on them.
Good idea but it won't work. These people have literally not the first inkling of discipline or self sacrifice. Dieting and going to the gym is hard enough for those of us that does it near enough regularly, try convincing someone to bring that level of discomfort on themselves after years of handouts in return for no effort. Won't work.
I like the debit card idea. Load it up with money and make it so that it HAS to be scanned before you put your items through. Allow £10 (or whatever) for booze, cigarettes or whatever crap they cram down their gullets. Rest of the money as for non booze and cigarettes.