Faulty 360's: what's the crack?

if a graphics card fails then the whole pc goes down? are you really sure about that.

forget the pc then. let's say ive got 15 baskets each containing 7 components. if one if those components fail do you write the whole basket off and still says it's a 6% failure rate?
 
This is crazy. Ok, firstly try runnign the pc without a video card and see how useful it is.

Secondly, by your analogy a component failing in a 360 doesnt count as a whole failure because all the others work! It comes down to dependencies. A 360 is dependent on all of its components working, as is a PC. A basket isnt, but then you cant do anything useful with a basket :/

To use another anology, its like a chain. one link fails breaks and the chain is broken.
 
Sagalout said:
This is crazy. Ok, firstly try runnign the pc without a video card and see how useful it is.
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another video card perhaps? onboard vga?.....

Secondly, by your analogy a component failing in a 360 doesnt count as a whole failure because all the others work! It comes down to dependencies. A 360 is dependent on all of its components working, as is a PC. A basket isnt, but then you cant do anything useful with a basket :/
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I never said that at all. A 360 maybe made up of individual components, but its sold as a single unit. You cant go swaping a cpu or ram so if something goes down, the whole unit does.

To use another anology, its like a chain. one link fails breaks and the chain is broken.
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Yes, unless you have spare links you can swap in. Can't do that with a 360.

you're saying 6% of the pc's failed. I'm saying 1 in around 105 components failed. By rights, pcs (store bought or self built) should fail a hell of a lot more than any console should.
 
I think the main fact here is that yes some consoles are going wrong but Microsoft seem to be doing a good job of sorting it out. Ie you get another one free of charge.

And the turn around is quick as well.

Another thing is as well we don't know why they are failing. It may something as simple as something has lost a connection (which in a normal pc you would just open up the side and plug it back in).

But anyway you get this with any major launch of an electronic consumer device.

At least it isn't as bad as when something goes wrong with a certain car where all of them have to be recalled just to check whether the brakes actually work.
 
oweneades said:
At least it isn't as bad as when something goes wrong with a certain car where all of them have to be recalled just to check whether the brakes actually work.
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Or that the accelerator works...
 
Its amazing how many people didn't pay attention / completely forgot basic statistics & probability at school. Or how statistical anomolies often occur in groups. Or the people who forgot about fair tests / reliable datasets in Science class.
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I'm so glad I'm not alone on this forum about this issue.

james.miller, I don't see how what you are talking about relates to failure rates. Yes the 360 is sold as a single item, and a pc doesn't have to be - but a failure is a failure. If you have a pc and you install a graphics card, and the graphics card fails - it doesn't matter that you have other options to fix it, it still failed!

This topic is about failures, not modularity.
 
AtomicBanana said:
james.miller, I don't see how what you are talking about relates to failure rates. Yes the 360 is sold as a single item, and a pc doesn't have to be - but a failure is a failure. If you have a pc and you install a graphics card, and the graphics card fails - it doesn't matter that you have other options to fix it, it still failed!
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That's right. the graphics card failed. the other 104 components didnt.
 
Seriously, settle down. You're all gonna make me cry.

At the end of the day (I hate that saying.. but it works) Microsoft are having problems FACT! Lets leave it at that. Only Microsoft have the right numbers, no one else does, so, for the love of God, stop speculating.
 
mrk1@1 said:
Waits for the "My Xbox 360 sent signals to Aliens and I now have a UFO parked on my roof"
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:eek: I'm buying one!

Sagalout said:
I cant see your logic at all. A 360 is not a single lump that has failed..
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Try telling that to Microsoft when you pull out the GPU and just send that back if it fails!
 
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That's right. the graphics card failed. the other 104 components didnt.
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Ok, god, last try. That's very nice and I understand that - but that's not the topic at hand. When a 360 breaks, it doesn't *all* break, same as a pc. Yes, you can replace a broken pc component yourself (and you can't do that on the 360 of course) but that's not relevant to this discussion.
 
nope doesnt hold. I weren't the one comparing it to a pc in the first place, was i? like i told you. if i buy 105 components and 1 fails - look at it any way you like. it doesnt come out as 6%.
 
not sure what I've started here, people seemed to have missed the point entirely and turned this into another "Xbox 360 failure rate and stats" arguement.

What I was trying to get across was how hundreds on here (who probably have perfectly fine and working 360s) are probably now worried because of all the posts about borked 360s. I was simply trying to settle their minds a bit that's all.

6%, 17% 20%, whatever it is, I agree, it's not good. But I think MS are doing a good job of sorting it out and I'm sure the newers releases will be fine once they've had a chance to sort out what was going wrong in the first place.

So while the likes of james.miller and Atomic Banana were arguing over who made what comment? Neither matters because you both missed the point entirely.
 
Maybe it would be worth requesting a poll, I have wondered my self about how many people have bought a box that fails vs those that have had a perfectly fine 360 since day one!
 
There is a poll further down, 37 have gone **** up so far with the members on here, AV Forums, xbox 360 Official Forums etc.... are all getting flooded with 'My 360 died' threads, and 'my 3rd refurb has died now too' threads, but its nothing to worry about the 360 is fine, take a look in the graphics card section and you'll see, in there its x1900 died threads all over the place, must be about 100 so far, so don't worry its normal, same happened to the GTX just after that was released, they were RMA'd in their droves too, and the list goe's on, as i said its normal so just get one if you want one.
 
There is a poll, just thought i'd add a 3 day turnaround must be a one off. Mines been sat here since sataurday waiting to be picked up. As for a box to return it in, nothing has appeared yet apart from a dirty screwed up sticker that got posted yesterday (good old UPS). I have been on the phone due to the wrong post code being put on the sticker to adjust it myself.

As well as to find out exactly what components they would like me to return, so far i have had 3 different answers- a) everything b) Console and psu and c) just the console. Well as if this was'nt enough i have also been told to pack it up in a) a box we will send b)any box you can find apart from the original box and c) just put it in the original box.

The saga continues.....
 
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