Female genital mutilation
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I'd go with Wizzfizz, cos he's left of the middle.
whereas you wont see many circumcised german male porn stars.
not that i look or anything
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I am against forced circumcision operations. Such things should be left to the desecration of the individual, when they are old enough and can make an informed decision. Male forced circumcision is far less severe than female, because it can serve an actual practical purpose, while female mutilation is religious and voodoo irrationality.
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Listen to this poster everybody, completely pointless discussing it further.
This (also what the OP said).
I can't believe we let these primitive cultures practice mutilation on children.
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Wow, are you being serious?
It was my first thought and I wasn't far wrong (although reading the whole article I see I am wrong)
However
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So what do you think of when you see 'BBC'?
The two are so completely dis-similar in both intention and effect that they almost aren't related.
But they're still mutilation of a child that has nothing to gain from it and are usually done for cultural or religious reasons. It's like cutting off the end of a babies little finger because "it's part of their culture", it just isn't right.
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Intention and effect is irrelevant. Both involve chopping bits of a childs body off.
FGM is not a religious observance in any of the three Abrahamic religions....it predates all of them by some centuries.
Judaism expressly forbids it, Christianity doesn't say anything about it and Islam, the most often accused religion has issued several Fatwa condemning and prohibiting the practice. All to no avail, as this seems to be ingrained in some societies regardless of what even their own elders and Govts say or do.
It is easy to blame religion, but sometimes such practices predate such beliefs so it is difficult even for the religions of such societies to impose a prohibition on them.
The thing we should really be worried about and campaigning about is the fact that the UK do not enforce the laws against this with more alacrity. (or any in fact). The authorities are effectively condoning the practice by not applying the law against it.
In any case, I pretty much agree with Naffa, regardless of the religious and cultural practice of male circumcision, none of it is necessary unless there is a proven medical need to the individual or as part of World Health Organisation recommendations regarding HIV. And there is no need for FGM whatsoever as there are no health issues that require it afaik.
Judaism expressly forbids it, Christianity doesn't say anything about it and Islam, the most often accused religion has issued several Fatwa condemning and prohibiting the practice. All to no avail, as this seems to be ingrained in some societies regardless of what even their own elders and Govts say or do.
It is easy to blame religion, but sometimes such practices predate such beliefs so it is difficult even for the religions of such societies to impose a prohibition on them.
The thing we should really be worried about and campaigning about is the fact that the UK do not enforce the laws against this with more alacrity. (or any in fact). The authorities are effectively condoning the practice by not applying the law against it.
In any case, I pretty much agree with Naffa, regardless of the religious and cultural practice of male circumcision, none of it is necessary unless there is a proven medical need to the individual or as part of World Health Organisation recommendations regarding HIV. And there is no need for FGM whatsoever as there are no health issues that require it afaik.
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Have you considered that some people may just be able to last longer than others...if your job is to have sex then you're going to gradually become desensitized to it, or at least end up lasting longer just because you're used to it.
Hygeine is a lame excuse (and it's used for mutilating the genitals of children of both sexes).
The two real reasons (again, for both sexes) are (i) religion and (ii) custom.
Religion can't be reasoned with as it's fundamentally unreasonable. Not much to be done about that.
The most common areligious reason for mutilating children's genitals is to stop them masturbating when they get older because masturbation causes almost every medical disorder that exists, physical and mental, and is always eventually fatal.
Sounds mental, right? It is mental. Hardly anyone who has their children mutilated believes that it stops masturbation and hardly anyone who has their children mutilated believes that masturbation causes almost every medical disorder that exists and is always eventually fatal. Yet that's the reason for most genital mutilation inflicted on children. Most of the...people...doing it to their children don't even know that's why it's the custom. They're just mindlessly following custom regardless of the harm done.
If, for example, someone cut their baby's earlobe off because they wanted to, they'd be locked up. They'd certainly lose custody of the child. That would be true even if they used anaesthetic, let alone without it. An earlobe is genuinely useless, unlike any part of a person's genitals, so if should be considered less serious abuse, not vastly more serious abuse.
As an aside, female genital mutilation covers a very wide range of harm. Material advocating against it is (unsurprisingly) deliberately misleading in order to cause more anger. They take the numbers for the entire range of mutilation and imply that they are all the most extreme kind. That's nowhere near true. The large majority are very much comparable in terms of physical harm done with the large majority of male genital mutilation.
