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People should probably watch this to get a broader idea of what this particular police force is like:
Ferguson and Michael Brown
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How many bullets do you need to stop someone? One in the head? They hit him twice in the head.
The chap's black, so from the get you you were going to be negative about him anyway.
We have very few armed police in this country (thank ****), and they manage to arrest shoplifters without killing them. Talk about disproportionate.
America continues to prove why it is not a good idea to arm all and sundry.
Because he lived in an area where racial tension is an issue, sadly.
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At the end of the day....
He was just a kid. He had just turned 18.
He had graduated a few days before
He didn't have a gun.
The cop didn't try to help him after he was shot.
The cop didn't call an ambulance.
The cop didn't even call it in - the emergency calls to the police cam from witnesses.
Most importantly - the reports from the police (specifically from the police chief) have changed considerably a number of times over the last few days.
Firstly he stated a shot was fired in the car.
They stated there wasn't any connection between the robbery and the shooting - then hours later he said the cop spotted the cigars in his hand and thought he might be the robber (even though he had no knowledge of the robbery at that point)
The body lay in the road for several hours - with his own mother unable to get near him & officers threatening to arrest her because she was histerical.
The whole incident stinks and hopefully the FBI will get the truth and finally get the place to calm down a bit once the real story is told.
He was just a kid. He had just turned 18.
He had graduated a few days before
He didn't have a gun.
The cop didn't try to help him after he was shot.
The cop didn't call an ambulance.
The cop didn't even call it in - the emergency calls to the police cam from witnesses.
Most importantly - the reports from the police (specifically from the police chief) have changed considerably a number of times over the last few days.
Firstly he stated a shot was fired in the car.
They stated there wasn't any connection between the robbery and the shooting - then hours later he said the cop spotted the cigars in his hand and thought he might be the robber (even though he had no knowledge of the robbery at that point)
The body lay in the road for several hours - with his own mother unable to get near him & officers threatening to arrest her because she was histerical.
The whole incident stinks and hopefully the FBI will get the truth and finally get the place to calm down a bit once the real story is told.
The issue is really the belief that had Michael Brown been white the policeman wouldn't have been so trigger happy. Being black is effectively counted as an aggravating factor when deciding on whether to use maximum force.
Sadly too true. No matter what evidence is given to these communities, they will never accept it. They are their own worst enemies at times. You see this all over the world, black, white, brown communities. Very very sad and the problem is that there is no way of talking to them either for a rational discussion to work out a resolution.
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Hadn't thought of that. That's a problem too.
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Pretty much.
Armed police are trained to kill. They are not trained to shoot them in the head either. They aim for center of mass and whatever gets hit gets hit. Never do they just squeeze off just one bullet.
In isolation. Shot 6 times for a robbery. Yes OTT.
Shot 6 times after a robbery, assaulting a police officer, not surrendering when asked... not so much. If that turns out to be true.
That's probably because it's far less likely for a shoplifter to have a gun themselves over here
It's hard to filter what happened with the media muddying the waters - surprised they haven't shown the picture of Brown when he was a child like they did for Trayvon Martin. However the whole thing stinks. The police have over reacted, being very coy about certain parts of the story "he was shot a couple more times than twice, no more" - that sounds like complete waffle. Do police there not have to justify every bullet? Would the gun no have X bullets missing from the clip, or there be X shell casings on the scene? And it looks like he was shot at least 6 times.
And it doesn't stop there. As someone said earlier they were quick to release information about the robbery, whilst also contradicting their own set of events about the officer knowing if he was a suspect at the time, but slow to release information about the police report under the same FOI request.
I would be interested in the witness accounts near the scene, not his friend but the two people nearby I believe.
And it doesn't stop there. As someone said earlier they were quick to release information about the robbery, whilst also contradicting their own set of events about the officer knowing if he was a suspect at the time, but slow to release information about the police report under the same FOI request.
I would be interested in the witness accounts near the scene, not his friend but the two people nearby I believe.
Can stack up 'evidence' either way.
Just a kid? at 18 you're an adult now in the eyes of the law. Take responsibility for your actions.
Graduated... well maybe he should have been smart enough to not commit a crime or be on drugs.
Eye witnesses have changed their story after autopsy revealed he was not shot in the back.
I heard he had just recieved info about the robbery.
Body laying on the ground for hours after an incident like this isn't unusual.
Massive issue. Many people will just label him guilty regardless of what the evidence shows or court decides.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-28841715
Tho police version;
35ft is a long distance for an unarmed guy to be posing a threat. And a strange place to be shortly after a struggle in the car, given that he was facing the policeman when shot
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Yes other reports basically say he ran at the officer, I'm not sure of the time line of events but it sounds like he may have attacked the officer inside the car, then run off then changed his mind and ran back at the car/officer at which point he got taken down, in which case I don't have a lot of sympathy.
Ultimately another horrible shooting happened, worse, much worse, and there was no riot.
White guy sitting on I think his neighbours steps or something with a garden hose with a "gun like nozzle" was I guess sitting on some steps spraying the garden. A neighbour saw him, decided it was a gun, called it in and the officers shot him without warning. He died, this wasn't a guy who just robbed somewhere, just utterly inept policing where they got a report of a guy with a gun and basically put themselves into what they perceived as danger then reacted to it. If they approached cautiously, stayed in the car or placed a car between them and spoke to him he wouldn't have died. This guy didn't run at the cops not make an aggressive gesture, they just rolled up assumed a gun and shot...despite no reports of gunfire and this guy clearly wasn't shooting as they drove up.
That is insane, and.... no riots. Just some very upset family members at press conferences.
People riot as an excuse, 99% of people in London did not give a **** about the guy that got shot. Just a perceived "the police screwed a black person so it's okay to loot" mentality........
The police have seemingly been heavy handed in Ferguson, but when the media appear to be as big a problem as the rioters in handing out misinformation I can somewhat understand their want to silence the press. There were in fact many people committing lots of crimes while out rioting and if the police were filmed aggressively pushing back rioters and arresting more people looting it wouldn't exactly go down well.
The media are largely to blame reporting nonsense and Obama decided to stick his nose in, before any real facts were known, and effectively say the police were in the wrong, completely and utterly stupid of him to get involved without the facts being established first(in terms of commenting on who was wrong). He could however have taken over the investigation and sent the attorney general down MUCH sooner and sent other police forces in to deal with the rioting and make the area safe much earlier also.
Ultimately another horrible shooting happened, worse, much worse, and there was no riot.
White guy sitting on I think his neighbours steps or something with a garden hose with a "gun like nozzle" was I guess sitting on some steps spraying the garden. A neighbour saw him, decided it was a gun, called it in and the officers shot him without warning. He died, this wasn't a guy who just robbed somewhere, just utterly inept policing where they got a report of a guy with a gun and basically put themselves into what they perceived as danger then reacted to it. If they approached cautiously, stayed in the car or placed a car between them and spoke to him he wouldn't have died. This guy didn't run at the cops not make an aggressive gesture, they just rolled up assumed a gun and shot...despite no reports of gunfire and this guy clearly wasn't shooting as they drove up.
That is insane, and.... no riots. Just some very upset family members at press conferences.
People riot as an excuse, 99% of people in London did not give a **** about the guy that got shot. Just a perceived "the police screwed a black person so it's okay to loot" mentality........
The police have seemingly been heavy handed in Ferguson, but when the media appear to be as big a problem as the rioters in handing out misinformation I can somewhat understand their want to silence the press. There were in fact many people committing lots of crimes while out rioting and if the police were filmed aggressively pushing back rioters and arresting more people looting it wouldn't exactly go down well.
The media are largely to blame reporting nonsense and Obama decided to stick his nose in, before any real facts were known, and effectively say the police were in the wrong, completely and utterly stupid of him to get involved without the facts being established first(in terms of commenting on who was wrong). He could however have taken over the investigation and sent the attorney general down MUCH sooner and sent other police forces in to deal with the rioting and make the area safe much earlier also.
So both accounts there agree he assualted the police officer and then ran off. ~10m isn't that far tbh. Can be covered in a couple of seconds. Already proved he was a threat by attacking the police officer...
Not saying this is the truth. But based on that, the officer can hardly be called a cold-blooded murderer.
Shooting a guy 6 times and killing him after he ran away, based on that, i think he could be.
Definitely need some more witnesses for this. Unfortunately, I doubt we will ever know the truth. We'll just have to wait for the courts to decide i suppose.
But he wasn't shot whilst running away. He ran away and then turned back around.
But agreed, witnesses will be problematic.
Moral of the story. Don't assualt an armed police officer.
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and still the idiots don't learn
states bring in the death penalty, people still commit crime
cops carry and use guns, people still commit crime
you'd think after the amount of people getting shot, when a cop says stop.....YOU STOP!
well.....one less idiot in the world is a good thing in my book
darwinism
love how they moan about not having jobs. Have they looked in a mirror? do they think they are employable stinking of weed, wearing their "trousers" halfway down their backsides.
There's a reason you can't get a job.....and it ain't cause your black
states bring in the death penalty, people still commit crime
cops carry and use guns, people still commit crime
you'd think after the amount of people getting shot, when a cop says stop.....YOU STOP!
well.....one less idiot in the world is a good thing in my book
darwinism
love how they moan about not having jobs. Have they looked in a mirror? do they think they are employable stinking of weed, wearing their "trousers" halfway down their backsides.
There's a reason you can't get a job.....and it ain't cause your black