few questions about ww2

Hitler's plan was to defeat our airforce, then go in with air superiority. But our airforce proved more than capable of defending itself. In no small part due to our RADAR defences. Hitler did plan to take out these, but instead went for the Blitz in retaliation to our attacks on German cities. He had underestimated the effectiveness of the RADER and the Luftwaffe was run thin due to losses attacking the UK. This allowed us to cripple the Luftwaffe in return, and lay a good sky for the D-Day invasions.
 
mattheman said:
They did a lot of damage, the poles had a few squadrons all of them doing better that the british. What was sad about the invasion of poland by the germans was the russians invaded on the other side so really there wasnt any hope for the poles fighting back. If poland wasnt..
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yeah i know man my grandparents where in the middle of it. me gran is still kicking strong 95 :)

polish raf pilots wanted some serious payback :p
 
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Angilion said:
I think Nazi Germany would have had nukes (and the ability to send them far enough) before the USA did, and I doubt if Hitler would have hesitated to press the launch button.

Nazi Germany wasn't far behind in developing a nuclear bomb, and that was after the Allies blew the crap out of their main research facility three times. Nazi Germany was well ahead in developing rockets. Without having to fight a war on three fronts, they could have developed nuclear bombs and the means to get them to the USA.
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Almost certainly, especially if the UK was taken out of the war as early as 1942. Germany was ahead of the US in both atomic and rocket designs up until it surrendered, at which point all the german scientists (on the British/American side) were given pardons in exchange for working on the manhatten project (and other similar projects). All this, while the uk and norway had taken out and slowed down the research on atomic weponry.

UK out of the war and the US would have had a fair few nuclear clouds hanging over it's eastern seaboard... (If Germany decided they wanted to).

Although the battle of britain is seen as the major reason for stopping of the invasion of britain I think the bigger factor is the invasion of Russia, which pretty much sucked the invasion force east. If Germany had concentrated on Britain and taken us (now I would like to think we would have fought to the "last" man, however we may have decided to make a peace treaty, as Hitler would probably have been very lenient), then invaded Russia it would have been a whole different ball game.
 
mattheman said:
They did a lot of damage, the poles had a few squadrons all of them doing better that the british. What was sad about the invasion of poland by the germans was the russians invaded on the other side so really there wasnt any hope for the poles fighting back. If poland wasnt invaded they would have been a great country economically, and industrially.
Russia invaded poland because they felt humiliated when the poles invaded russia can't remember the full facts but poland was the only nation to ever invade russia talking control of all its western cities.
Anyway theres anther school of thought that the US and British wanted germany to invade poland and pushed them to do it, what they say is if ie britain said they would declare war on germany if they invaded poland how come they didnt say the same to russia?
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The Russians got nervous, and halted any advance they may have had in mind.
Probably because of the Fartherlands might.
 
moremoney said:
The Russians got nervous, and halted any advance they may have had in mind.
Probably because of the Fartherlands might.
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Most of the people think these days that hitler was bad however in reality he was just doing what he thought was best, germany was under western pressure for almost 2 decades.
 
mattheman said:
Anyway theres anther school of thought that the US and British wanted germany to invade poland and pushed them to do it, what they say is if ie britain said they would declare war on germany if they invaded poland how come they didnt say the same to russia?
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I'm not sure the US and Britain wanted and pushed Germany into invading Poland, however there is strong evidence that we weren't exactly vocal in our opposition before Germany did. In fact I think Hitler was very suprised when we declared war on them when they did, either due to us practically ignoring the annexation of of Checkoslovakia, or because he thought that we would ally with them (Historically, other than WW1 we were usually allied with the germanic states, eg. prussia, fighting the french and other european powers).

We in Britain seem to have spent the last hundred years putting ourselves on the line in defence of other nations, doesn't that make you feel proud?!:p
 
I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you to our yank friends for lending us the money the men and the hardware to win the war against Germany, and Japan.

We paid this loan in 2006....so **** off and fight your own battles from now on.
 
ShaolinDreams said:
yeah i know man my grandparents where in the middle of it. me gran is still kicking strong 95 :)

polish raf pilots wanted some serious payback :p
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Be proud of the polish, they were the ones that help crack the Enigma code, they had some great mathematicians, 19 century was dominated by polish mathematicians.
 
moremoney said:
I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you to our yank friends for lending us the money the men and the hardware to win the war against Germany, and Japan.

We paid this loan in 2006....so **** off and fight your own battles from now on.
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And it only took that long as it actually worked out cheaper to pay it off slowly than to pay it off in the 60's:p

ShaolinDreams said:
didnt hitler repeat napoleons blunder :p
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Russia? Yep it appears so.
 
Amp34 said:
I'm not sure the US and Britain wanted and pushed Germany into invading Poland, however there is strong evidence that we weren't exactly vocal in our opposition before Germany did. In fact I think Hitler was very suprised when we declared war on them when they did, either due to us practically ignoring the annexation of of Checkoslovakia, or because he thought that we would ally with them (Historically, other than WW1 we were usually allied with the germanic states, eg. prussia, fighting the french and other european powers).

We in Britain seem to have spent the last hundred years putting ourselves on the line in defence of other nations, doesn't that make you feel proud?!:p
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The point was when we declared war on the germans there was a time gap before we did anything.
Poland was gaining economic strength is east asia, they were starting to dominate much of the trade in that part of the world. which the US and british didnt like.
 
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mattheman said:
Most of the people think these days that hitler was bad however in reality he was just doing what he thought was best, germany was under western pressure for almost 2 decades.
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You are so right, Germany was a dog until he came to power and United Germany,(which was broken down states of Prussia and Germany), then in the war years they were so great.

Western Europe wanted to grind Germany into the dust afte WW1.

But we grew a greay nation again.

And we will continue to do so.
 
moremoney said:
You are so right, Germany was a dog until he came to power and United Germany,(which was broken down states of Prussia and Germany), then in the war years they were so great.

Western Europe wanted to grind Germany into the dust afte WW1.

But we grew a greay nation again.

And we will continue to do so.
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Whats in the basic academic history books in school upto secondary school has been selective in its history since the war periods and missed out on purpose, certain facts.
 
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moremoney said:
I would like to take this opportunity to say thank you to our yank friends for lending us the money the men and the hardware to win the war against Germany, and Japan.

We paid this loan in 2006....so **** off and fight your own battles from now on.
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Cant be forcing you to fight all there battles that much

You lot never went to Vietnam. Did you even go to korea?:confused:

:p
 
ShaolinDreams said:
i am mate. being english thats half polish half greek... im one proud mofo :)

can get tricky during the world cup :D
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The infantry was lightly dressed without helmets or armour and armed with musket, short sword and hatchet. Only one man in eight carried a pike. In the 1550's a Polish regiment of 200 men could fire 150 shots in five minutes (contemporary Spanish brigades of 10,000 men could only deliver 750 in the same time). Polish infantry possessed ten times greater firepower on a man-to-man basis than standard European infantries.
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jamesmorris86 said:
im having a bit of a drunken debate and i need some help to win or loose it :P

can someone please explain why germany never invaded england?

and did we have the defenses to hold them off, or if they invaded, would they have walked all over us?

cheers for any help guys
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/1527068/Battle-of-Britain-was-won-at-sea.-Discuss.html

They tried and failed due to the strength of the RAF

However, as much respect as i have for those pilots, its now a well established fact that the Royal Navy were more than capable of fending off any invasion - this is concluded by many experts on the issue (see article above and others online)

"As the German general Jodl put it, so long as the British Navy existed, an invasion would be to send 'my troops into a mincing machine'."
 
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