FIA to conduct further wing tests at Monza

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After increasing them for this race weekend, I didn't expect them to go any further this season, but this could come as a shock for some teams -

FIA technical chiefs have been informed that extra tests are to take place on the floor of the chassis - especially in the 'tea tray' area at the front edge.

The teams have not been told exactly what the tests will be - only that they will take place 380mm behind the front wheel centre line at points 100mm either side of the car centre line.

Furthermore, it is understood that the FIA is to revise the regulations regarding skid blocks, to ensure that joints in this area do not allow freedom that could help the floor to flex.

From the Italian Grand Prix it is understood that the skid block can comprise of no more than two pieces, and that no piece of the skid block can be less than one metre long. A number of teams are understood to use several sections of skid block on the underside of their floor.

To further ensure teams are not deflecting the floor, from Monza all joints, bearing pivots and any other form of articulation must also be fixed.
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/86109


Could be interesting to see how the performance changes!
 
This is the reason i dislike the FIA. They don't use a single car formula so the teams are left open to develop their cars within the rules. So the teams come up with some ideas (f duct for example) which the other teams copy but the FIA change the rules and ban it for the next year - Why? If McLaren were smart enough to come up with the F duct let them keep their advantage of it. If Red Bull have come up with a wing / floor design that benefits them but is within the rules why change the rules and ban these parts :mad:

/rant.
 
What is the rule? I thought the rule was those parts should be rigid and not moving.

That would be like an athlete crying foul when they change drugs tests to identify new substances.
 
Telescopi said:
What is the rule? I thought the rule was those parts should be rigid and not moving.
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They test by putting a weight on the wing, it has to stay rigid during the test.

But I guess to force on the wing exceeds the test weight when going fast so it starts to flex.
 
Dutch Guy said:
They test by putting a weight on the wing, it has to stay rigid during the test.

But I guess to force on the wing exceeds the test weight when going fast so it starts to flex.
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Only a lot. The old test was to hang 50kgs on the wing if I recall which is nowhere near the downforce created in a fast corner.
 
Greboth said:
This is the reason i dislike the FIA. They don't use a single car formula so the teams are left open to develop their cars within the rules. So the teams come up with some ideas (f duct for example) which the other teams copy but the FIA change the rules and ban it for the next year - Why? If McLaren were smart enough to come up with the F duct let them keep their advantage of it. If Red Bull have come up with a wing / floor design that benefits them but is within the rules why change the rules and ban these parts :mad:

/rant.
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McLaren have kept the advantage - there was nothing about it in the rules, so it's been banned for next year... so they have the advantage for the year (ignoring the fact others have copied). Red Bull on the other hand are breaking the rules but comply with the tests that are there to check the cars adhere to the rules. Thats the difference.
 
The rule is 50kilos and a deflection of no more than 10mm, the new rule is 100kilos and no more than 20mm deflection.

So the test basically stays the same. it will just show any non linear deflection.

Greboth said:
This is the reason i dislike the FIA. They don't use a single car formula so the teams are left open to develop their cars within the rules. So the teams come up with some ideas (f duct for example) which the other teams copy but the FIA change the rules and ban it for the next year - Why? If McLaren were smart enough to come up with the F duct let them keep their advantage of it. If Red Bull have come up with a wing / floor design that benefits them but is within the rules why change the rules and ban these parts :mad:

/rant.
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:rolleyes:

it is not a same seat formula, go watch a different sport.
F1 should be 50-70% technology orientated which has diminished massively in the last 15 years.

They ban stuff after a season as they give a huge advantage and we would have race speeds of 600mph.

FIA have not changed the rules in regard to the front wing. The front wing has to be rigid and the rules state changes to scrutineering can be made if it is thought teams are not adhering to the "no" flex rule.
 
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AcidHell2 said:
The rule is 50kilos and a deflection of no more than 10mm, the new rule is 100kilos and no more than 20mm deflection.

So the test basically stays the same. it will just show any non linear deflection.
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IIRC thats the addition for Spa, Monza has another new test and the teams don't know what it is yet. :D
 
AcidHell2 said:
it is not a same seat formula, go watch a different sport.
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I think you've misinterpreted his point.

He's saying that it's stupid the FIA feel the need to restrict and ban every piece of innovation that an 'open' series invariably produces, because it isn't a single spec series, so these innovations are part of the sport.
 
Kenai said:
He's saying that it's stupid the FIA feel the need to restrict and ban every piece of innovation that an 'open' series invariably produces, because it isn't a single spec series, so these innovations are part of the sport.
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In which case I apologise and generally agree with.

But if you look at the mid 90's you can see why stuff has to be banned. Computers where taking over more and more, as well as speed and power.

I would rather they limit speed another way, I've suggested many times A totally open engine rule, however you can only use x-amount of fuel per race, which could be cut every few years.
 
Goksly said:
McLaren have kept the advantage - there was nothing about it in the rules, so it's been banned for next year... so they have the advantage for the year (ignoring the fact others have copied). Red Bull on the other hand are breaking the rules but comply with the tests that are there to check the cars adhere to the rules. Thats the difference.
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My rant in my first post was not so much about red bull wing as there does seem to be a strong possibility of something going on there. Though if it past the scruteneering test then surely it is legal. The rant was more of a general one of time line going - Team comes up with new ideas, Fia ban it, team comes up with another idea, fia ban it etc etc.

AcidHell2 said:
In which case I apologise and generally agree with.
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Apology accepted :P

I can understand the reason to band somethings, eg turbo cars as there were stupidly fast and dangerous due to the power surge when they came on boost. Double Decker Diffuser and F ducts (to name two) were great ideas and haven't made the cars dangerously fast compared to 'normal'. I just think the FIA are trying to keep the cars close for 'exciting racing' but to do that they are slowly removing the innovation in F1.

Anyway onto the more direct subject of the wing. I guess only time will tell after the tests the outcome. Though I wonder what the other teams will do if the wing still passes the test.
 
They shouldn't warn them in advance of the test. If you want to catch someone cheating surely giving them advanced notice your going to check makes the check itself entirely irrelevant. It's like sending a drug dealer written notice a week before the police do a drugs raid.
 
realscot said:
They shouldn't warn them in advance of the test. If you want to catch someone cheating surely giving them advanced notice your going to check makes the check itself entirely irrelevant. It's like sending a drug dealer written notice a week before the police do a drugs raid.
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It gives them a chance to amend it (if needed ;)), so they can get on and race - fairly. I don't think it would be good to have teams missing at different races.
 
Duke said:
It gives them a chance to amend it (if needed ;)), so they can get on and race - fairly. I don't think it would be good to have teams missing at different races.
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Surely that would prove they were cheating to start with (ie designing their car to fit/pass the tests rather than the actual rules - which I believe the RB wing has been doing all season)

(as Ive stated in other threads, it IS the FIA that is at fault if the above is correct, but I would still think RB is cheating by designing to this methodology ie to pass the FIA tests rather than the rules)

(and pps no I dont believe Brawn did similar in designing double defuser last season, as it was a complete grey area that Brawn had brought up 18 months previously at an F1 technical meeting, the current RB wing is ACTUALLY breaking the rules within races.....which the FIA seem imcompetant at testing - which to me are two totally different things)
 
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