Fifa 11 First Look
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Caporegime
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Personally, the biggest problem with be a pro mode is the ai on both versions suck. And it will probably suck until they can improve it when the next consoles come out.
I really can't get excited about these games anymore.
Fifa will fail because like last year, EA won't give enough time to test it and sort out some of the silly bugs.
Pes will fail because of how much Konami suck.
The biggest factor though is they are restricted by the current consoles.
silly bugs? can you expand?
can you also tell how they are restricted by current consoles?
why dont you play online if you dont like the ai
They are resrticted by the power of the current consoles now as they can only do so much with each version.
It's not as if they can greatly improve the graphics engine or the ai engine as they appear to be pretty much maxing out the power of the consoles.
Another example is the tiger woods pga series.
Sure, it will help that you can use the ps3 move controllers or the kinect 360 thingy, but the graphics are still going to be poor and the physics won't change much.
I'm betting with the release of the next consoles, they will make the current sports games look silly.
Depending on what specs the next consoles will be obviously.
Can you please give evidence where developers have said its due to console power restrictions that they cant get the games more realistic? I mean more gameplay than the graphics engine which is a given...
IMHO I think you are spouting rubbish - be surprised if others dont think the same...
Its far more that the developers are only given a finite amount of time to polish the games before launch and it gets to a point when fixing bugs/adding features that priority is given to certain items so not everything can be looked at...
ps3ud0
IMHO I think you are spouting rubbish - be surprised if others dont think the same...
Its far more that the developers are only given a finite amount of time to polish the games before launch and it gets to a point when fixing bugs/adding features that priority is given to certain items so not everything can be looked at...
ps3ud0
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They are resrticted by the power of the current consoles now as they can only do so much with each version.
It's not as if they can greatly improve the graphics engine or the ai engine as they appear to be pretty much maxing out the power of the consoles.
Another example is the tiger woods pga series.
Sure, it will help that you can use the ps3 move controllers or the kinect 360 thingy, but the graphics are still going to be poor and the physics won't change much.
I'm betting with the release of the next consoles, they will make the current sports games look silly.
Depending on what specs the next consoles will be obviously.
What a load of old codswallop, please point out where EA have indicated the consoles being the problem.
Graphics poor? What do you want photo realistic players? Of course this wont happen this generation, and it wont for a few more.
Physics? What is wrong with the physics? They didn't seem all that bad on Fifa 11.
The problem you will find is that these games will have a 12 month creation cycle, that is not enough time to create a beast of a football game and sort out all the bugs/issues that will be present.
What EA should do is this:
Create Fifa 11, then next season release a kit/player/team update for Fifa 11 for transfers/new kits/new players/stats etc and charge it as a say £10-£15 upgrade, and spend two years creating Fifa 13 to iron out bugs, test it properly and so on and get to the stage they want it. Iswear I read on IGN that Rutter even says they are limited by the 12 month dev cycle.
But they wont.
There was loads of bugs, from the management mode to the player arena where some of the new skills you earned wouldn't save properly.
Have a look in the fifa 10 thread, EA didn't have the decency to fix them.
Can you please give evidence where developers have said its due to console power restrictions that they cant get the games more realistic?
IMHO I think you are spouting rubbish - be surprised if others dont think the same...
Its far more that the developers are only given a finite amount of time to polish the games before launch and it gets to a point when fixing bugs/adding features that priority is given to certain items so not everything can be looked at...
ps3ud0
Yep, there is only so much they can do in their time frame, but it's naive not to think they are now at a limit as to what they can improve on with the technology restiction also.
I can't give you a source to where devs have said this, it only an opinion based on experience. I think it's pretty obvious they are maxing out the consoles by the fact that each version is practically the same, apart from a few tweaks here and there.
Plus, it would be ironic for devs to come out and say there are being restricted by the technology.
Thats all I have to say.
I'm not console bashing, as some of you appear to think that I am.
Just wish they would make proper pc exlcusive versions, you know, better than than the current console versions.
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Who mentioned photo realistic ?
So how long have you been a games developer and was it for a 1st tier or 3rd tier development house?
I dont think you are console bashing at all - Im just trying to save you from embarrasment by arguing a point where you have no source and I doubt you have any expert knowledge on the matter that would elicit such an opinion...
ps3ud0
I dont think you are console bashing at all - Im just trying to save you from embarrasment by arguing a point where you have no source and I doubt you have any expert knowledge on the matter that would elicit such an opinion...
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So how long have you been a games developer and was it for a 1st tier or 3rd tier development house?
ps3ud0
Lets reverse your question ?
What makes you think the devs are not restricted by the technology ?
I dont think you are console bashing at all - Im just trying to save you from embarrasment by arguing a point where you have no source and I doubt you have any expert knowledge on the matter that would elicit such an opinion...
ps3ud0
Well, why should I care when people who have their opinion have no foundation to back up their claim ?
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I did in response to you saying the graphics were poor, I asked if you want photo realistic players.
Each version is practically the same as they only have a limited amount of dev time. Fifa/Tiger/NHL/Madden are on a continual dev cycle, if they went 3-4 years between titles you would see a massive difference.
For me Fifa 10 had it almost nailed. Bugs are what ruin this game, manager mode was rendered unplayable due to them for me (I was not willing to be hit after hours of play with the million pound bug rendering my game useless) as is the broken (for whatever reason) online system.
Now whether that is the internet code/connection/bugs at fault we will never know as EA will never say.
Each version is practically the same as they only have a limited amount of dev time. Fifa/Tiger/NHL/Madden are on a continual dev cycle, if they went 3-4 years between titles you would see a massive difference.
For me Fifa 10 had it almost nailed. Bugs are what ruin this game, manager mode was rendered unplayable due to them for me (I was not willing to be hit after hours of play with the million pound bug rendering my game useless) as is the broken (for whatever reason) online system.
Now whether that is the internet code/connection/bugs at fault we will never know as EA will never say.
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Because I look at FIFA 11 and then look at games like Uncharted 2 and have come to the simple revelation that Uncharted 2 has far better graphics/AI/character animation than FIFA 11 so it cant be a platform restriction causing FIFA 11 to look/act so inferior.
Pretty simple...
...unless, of course, somewhere in the Uncharted 2 BD is a 'magic' GPU that the Sony elves have built...
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Ok guys, i'll stop with my opinion.
I have one last question though.
Lets say after fifa 11, they have two years to develop the next fifa game, fifa 13 obviously.
With the current console technology, how much different do you think fifa 13 would be to fifa 11. Considering they would have a years more development than usual ?
I have one last question though.
Lets say after fifa 11, they have two years to develop the next fifa game, fifa 13 obviously.
With the current console technology, how much different do you think fifa 13 would be to fifa 11. Considering they would have a years more development than usual ?
Perhaps the FIFA engine and its capabilities are more than suitable for EA to produce and sell a game to maximise profit? Im pretty sure year on year they tend to sell a few FIFA games without any trouble...
Id love a next-next gen game but Im realistic enough to know that they will do the least amount to ensure punters still buy it and its just far enough ahead of the competition to guarantee that...
ps3ud0
Id love a next-next gen game but Im realistic enough to know that they will do the least amount to ensure punters still buy it and its just far enough ahead of the competition to guarantee that...
ps3ud0
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Id love a next-next gen game but Im realistic enough to know that they will do the least amount to ensure punters still buy it and its just far enough ahead of the competition to guarantee that...
ps3ud0
That was my point, they labled this the next-gen version and personally they can't push it much more because of the technology limitation. That is my opinion based on the game over the last few years. If I am wrong that it has nothing to do with the tech limitation, then no problem.
But I think it is obvious we won't get a new next-gen version, in terms of a new graphics engine and ai engine etc until the next consoles are out.
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Why ask me ?
You think I am wrong with what I am saying ?
Answer the question please. Do you think there would be a big difference with the previous version if they had a years extra development with the current tech.
Out of interest how different are the PS2/PS3 versions of Fifa 10?
Because I am interested to hear what you would expect to be different.
I honestly wouldn't know what to expect with a two year dev cycle.
Because I am interested to hear what you would expect to be different.
I honestly wouldn't know what to expect with a two year dev cycle.
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I think that a lot of people buy FIFA year after year in the knowledge that it will have updated teams / kits / stadiums etc and if any major changes are made to improve the game then that's just a bonus. If the games were total **** then review sites and places like Metacritic would point that out, but they're not. Fifa 09 was great and 10 has improved on that. It has brought in a few bugs but most of the complaints from 09 were ironed out and it's still the best franchise currently.
PES has been shocking for a number of years and if it was a genuine alternative then I would buy it, but it isn't an alternative at the moment, it's become FIFA circa 2003 onwards when for 5 years or so it was an identical game every single year with a new gimmick, FIFA hasn't been like that since 2008 when they brought in the next-gen engine. If EA have been listening, which the massive thread over on their forums suggests they probably have been then FIFA 11 will be yet another improvement on a game that has been an improvement over last years edition. As people know, usually the Euro/WC game is fairly indicative of roughly what to expect from the next FIFA in the autumn and a lot of people are in agreement that it is much better than 10 in certain areas, that only does good things for me and add all the new transfers, kits and hopefully new commentary it'll be a must buy for a football fan, not just enough of an update to justify rolling out a new game.
PES has been shocking for a number of years and if it was a genuine alternative then I would buy it, but it isn't an alternative at the moment, it's become FIFA circa 2003 onwards when for 5 years or so it was an identical game every single year with a new gimmick, FIFA hasn't been like that since 2008 when they brought in the next-gen engine. If EA have been listening, which the massive thread over on their forums suggests they probably have been then FIFA 11 will be yet another improvement on a game that has been an improvement over last years edition. As people know, usually the Euro/WC game is fairly indicative of roughly what to expect from the next FIFA in the autumn and a lot of people are in agreement that it is much better than 10 in certain areas, that only does good things for me and add all the new transfers, kits and hopefully new commentary it'll be a must buy for a football fan, not just enough of an update to justify rolling out a new game.
I don't know.
I haven't touched or seen a ps2 game since, 2001 rougly.
Regarding the years extra development. I don't think there would be much difference in terms of graphics and ai.
Hence why I think the devs are being resticted by the current console tech.
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Aww man. My brother and I nearly end up nearly scrapping every game we play even if one of us fouls the other unintentionally. Now they've added handballs there's definitely going to be violence >.<
Can't wait for Fifa 11.
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Can't wait for Fifa 11.
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