http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...ifa-censor-stadium-replays?cc=5739&ver=global
WHY are FIFA so utterly crap? They just constantly avoid the real issues here and change everything else. Absolute idiots.
FIFA to censor in-stadium replays
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http://soccernet.espn.go.com/world-...ifa-censor-stadium-replays?cc=5739&ver=global
WHY are FIFA so utterly crap? They just constantly avoid the real issues here and change everything else. Absolute idiots.
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Maybe it's to prevent potential violence between fans & officials. Still a stupid idea in my opinion, the game is crying out for goal line technology, it isn't going to slow the game down one iota, there are much faster games than football, such as ice hockey for example and that hasn't got any problems with video reviewing slowing the game down. FIFA are just a bunch of donkeys.
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Yeah I think there's a similar situation in American Football whereby the coach of a team can challenge the referees decision a number of times throughout the course of the game. They'll stop and look at video evidence and then make a decision based on that, for the goal on Sunday though that would've taken all of 4 seconds to look at a clip and say it's a goal. For what it's worth I don't think the goal would have affected the game very much but that isn't the issue. We've seen some very shoddy refereeing decisions this World Cup and maybe it's time they brought football into the 21st century instead of living in the past.
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Its been said a million times, American footie, they can throw a red flag onto the field and have them check the video footage to get a decision correct, the refs in american footie only get 30 seconds of multiple video angles, if they can see something to change the decision, they do, if they can't they don't.
They only get 2 red flags, if they made the right decision and its not overturned, you lose a red flag, if its right, you get the decision fixed and keep the red flag. IE if you waste time by throwing the red flag needlessly, you might lose both red flags then come up against an obvious penalty the refs got wrong and be unable to challenge it. Sure the video footage would be used extensively for a few weeks, but it would dramatically, and undeniably reduce cheating to such a massive extent that most cheating would stop.
IE if people get caught pulling at a corner they'll concede a penalty, we'll get 3 weeks of the funniest most exciting games with an insane amount of red cards, then games with mostly no cheating, mostly no diving, mostly no pulling during corners and so on.
TOday was a prime example, Juan scored his header but if he didn't it should have been a penalty, one of the Chile guys was behind lucio with both arms around his waist in a bear hug and the Chile guy leaned back, sat down and pulled Lucio towards the ground.
Its as clear a foul as you'll ever see and they are ignored every game all game, it would dissappear in a couple games max.
Theres no reason to not use video footage and theres even less reason to not use a couple camera's in the goal line.
As for footage starting riots, the chance of a team starting a riot after a DODGEY decision is infinately higher than the chance of a riot starting after video replay shows if a decision is correct, or if its wrong and gets overturned, because those are the two options.
The two situations that might send fans over the edge are conceding a goal and thinking it was the wrong decision, or having a goal denied and thinking its a wrong decision, either way if fans are shown the decisions were correct theres a far far far lower chance of fans going insane.
As said, we'd have 3 weeks at the beginning of the season of mayhem, of hilariously long games, loads of yellow and red cards, loads of penaltys...... I can't see any downside, can you? more entertaining football, hows that bad.
After a few weeks of players realising they just can't get away with cheating at all anymore, well its simple, players will stop diving, stop cheating, stop pulling, stop asking for yellow cards, stop surrounding the ref(bad calls will be for the manager to call a red flag or not, where would be the point in players surrounding the ref when its the manager who would throw the flag or not?). So we'll have 3 weeks of the funniest games ever, followed by years, decades, centuries of fair football with a hugely lower number of mistakes, which means small teams will get the penalties they deserve against the big clubs, the whole league will be fairer, the Boltons of the world can't kick a great team off the park and a fancy flair team can't dive the other team off the park either. Its win, win, win win, win , win all around. The fans, the players, the officials, the regulators, everyone gets a better fairer game out of it.
They only get 2 red flags, if they made the right decision and its not overturned, you lose a red flag, if its right, you get the decision fixed and keep the red flag. IE if you waste time by throwing the red flag needlessly, you might lose both red flags then come up against an obvious penalty the refs got wrong and be unable to challenge it. Sure the video footage would be used extensively for a few weeks, but it would dramatically, and undeniably reduce cheating to such a massive extent that most cheating would stop.
IE if people get caught pulling at a corner they'll concede a penalty, we'll get 3 weeks of the funniest most exciting games with an insane amount of red cards, then games with mostly no cheating, mostly no diving, mostly no pulling during corners and so on.
TOday was a prime example, Juan scored his header but if he didn't it should have been a penalty, one of the Chile guys was behind lucio with both arms around his waist in a bear hug and the Chile guy leaned back, sat down and pulled Lucio towards the ground.
Its as clear a foul as you'll ever see and they are ignored every game all game, it would dissappear in a couple games max.
Theres no reason to not use video footage and theres even less reason to not use a couple camera's in the goal line.
As for footage starting riots, the chance of a team starting a riot after a DODGEY decision is infinately higher than the chance of a riot starting after video replay shows if a decision is correct, or if its wrong and gets overturned, because those are the two options.
The two situations that might send fans over the edge are conceding a goal and thinking it was the wrong decision, or having a goal denied and thinking its a wrong decision, either way if fans are shown the decisions were correct theres a far far far lower chance of fans going insane.
As said, we'd have 3 weeks at the beginning of the season of mayhem, of hilariously long games, loads of yellow and red cards, loads of penaltys...... I can't see any downside, can you? more entertaining football, hows that bad.
After a few weeks of players realising they just can't get away with cheating at all anymore, well its simple, players will stop diving, stop cheating, stop pulling, stop asking for yellow cards, stop surrounding the ref(bad calls will be for the manager to call a red flag or not, where would be the point in players surrounding the ref when its the manager who would throw the flag or not?). So we'll have 3 weeks of the funniest games ever, followed by years, decades, centuries of fair football with a hugely lower number of mistakes, which means small teams will get the penalties they deserve against the big clubs, the whole league will be fairer, the Boltons of the world can't kick a great team off the park and a fancy flair team can't dive the other team off the park either. Its win, win, win win, win , win all around. The fans, the players, the officials, the regulators, everyone gets a better fairer game out of it.
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What I think they should do..
In rugby they have a video ref, if the referee is unsure of a decision, he speaks to the video ref on his earpiece and asks for confirmation.
It's easy to implement as football already has way more cameras than rugby anyway, and it can be used for any 'incident'; not only goals.
Works very well in rugby imo, and still keeps a healthy amount of 'human error' which imo is a good thing for the fans
In rugby they have a video ref, if the referee is unsure of a decision, he speaks to the video ref on his earpiece and asks for confirmation.
It's easy to implement as football already has way more cameras than rugby anyway, and it can be used for any 'incident'; not only goals.
Works very well in rugby imo, and still keeps a healthy amount of 'human error' which imo is a good thing for the fans
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The problem with that is footballers go down like absolute tarts 9 times out of 10 and so managers would be calling for replays for penalty kicks/free kicks left right and centre. That way it has to be controlled and the only way I can see it working is you have 3 opportunities to throw in a flag or something to that effect for the video evidence but even then I see problems. I imagine when I team is under great pressure and the momentum is highly against them, they could throw in the flag for any old decision meaning the play gets interrupted and they have time to regroup.
I quite like the way football flows and isn't stop start. Look at how people criticise referees when they are blowing their whistle constantly and not letting the game flow.
However FIFA's current approach of ignoring the issue completely is wrong. Something has to be done even if it is more match officials.
For offsides I've always liked the idea of having a linesman on each side. If both linesman put their flag up then it is highly likely to have been offside. If only one does then the other must be unsure meaning there is an element of doubt, advantage attacking team.
I quite like the way football flows and isn't stop start. Look at how people criticise referees when they are blowing their whistle constantly and not letting the game flow.
However FIFA's current approach of ignoring the issue completely is wrong. Something has to be done even if it is more match officials.
For offsides I've always liked the idea of having a linesman on each side. If both linesman put their flag up then it is highly likely to have been offside. If only one does then the other must be unsure meaning there is an element of doubt, advantage attacking team.
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If you start doing it for that though, it is only a matter of time before people are saying "but what about using it for offsides".
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Nope , right or wrong, offsides , fouls etc thats what refs and linesmen are for.
If you take it to extremes why not do away with refs and linesmen and use video camera's and PA systems with refs sat in the stand.
Yes I know that is silly but you can't have the system open to abuse by teams and players without going the whole way.
I think, given FIFAs refusal to adopt video technology, that it makes sense. It can only lead to violence on the pitch and it's pointless having that happen when nothing can be done about it.
What does need to change is the inclusion of video technology. What the hell is the point of the fourth official.
What does need to change is the inclusion of video technology. What the hell is the point of the fourth official.
Violence shouldn't be inevitable, but then football players are generally on such a short fuse that you're probably right. The real issue is that there's no respect in football for the difficulty the officials have in following everything that is happening - there is more respect in rugby and a hell of a lot more in something like tennis or cricket. There needs to be respect for the referees and the pressures they are under - it's not easy to keep up with everything or to see everything from the optimal vantage point. Then the referees in football get flak from the players and even death threats from the retarded fans when it's FIFA who are the ones laying down the rules.
It seems ironic that tennis has adopted Hawk-Eye when the umpire is able to sit in one place and see everything, although of course the speed makes it difficult, while in football they won't accept video technology and want 3 men to run like mad trying to keep up with what's going on.
It's all a big mess really, and whatever is done is going to cause trouble with one group or another.
All that is needed to stop the cheating is decent referees.
If the administered the rules of the game rather than their own interpretations of them, things would be a whole lot better.
For instance why is hardly anybody done for persistent fouling?
Why are people not carded for wasting time?
Why is a free kick given every time someone goes up to challenge the keeper? thats not a rule, its a foul if you make no attempt to get the ball, but if you are going for the ball and the keeper goes up with you and doesnt get it, he will get a free kick.
etc etc etc etc etc.
If the administered the rules of the game rather than their own interpretations of them, things would be a whole lot better.
For instance why is hardly anybody done for persistent fouling?
Why are people not carded for wasting time?
Why is a free kick given every time someone goes up to challenge the keeper? thats not a rule, its a foul if you make no attempt to get the ball, but if you are going for the ball and the keeper goes up with you and doesnt get it, he will get a free kick.
etc etc etc etc etc.
I think in Rugby League there is only a video ref at televised games which means some don't get the advantage, football would have to have them at every game.