God I hate england and this love for a holding midfielder who never gets beyond the half way line and acts like it's a good thing. Gilberto was maybe the best DM I've ever seen and scored 12 goals one season. If you can drive forward, you're helping the team, Makelele is one of the only really really withdrawn DM's I've seen and it's because he was **** going forwards, not because DM's don't go forward. All the best defensive midfielders help offensively as well.
We have one ultra defensive DM almost ever in the prem league and now English people seem convinced that all DM's should be like that, urrgghh.