Fire at Russian mall.

ubersonic · 27 Mar 2018 at 11:37

There's been a fire at a Russian mall:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-43552165

President Vladimir Putin arrived in Kemerovo earlier and blamed "criminal negligence" for Sunday's blaze.

Relatives say as many as 85 people are still missing, most of them children, according to Interfax news agency.

Investigators say the fire alarm was switched off and exits were blocked.

Some 300 people rallied outside the local government headquarters on Tuesday, demanding that officials be sacked over the fire safety shortcomings.

Firestar_3x · 27 Mar 2018 at 11:38

Outrageous the people in charge who blocked exits and disabled safety systems should be prosecuted.

iamtheoneneo · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:00

so let me get this right, The fire alarm warning system went off as intended and instead of taking notice of it, they just turned it off.
So many levels of incompetence...

OldComputerGuy7 · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:02

That's awful, those poor people.

Dan103 · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:08

such a tragic loss of life

doodah · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:11

Why would anyone turn the system off during a fire?

Hades · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:15

doodah said:
Why would anyone turn the system off during a fire?

I'm guessing there had been previous false alarms?

Sankari · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:19

Russia's 3rd world safety standards claim their latest victims.

iamtheoneneo said:
so let me get this right, The fire alarm warning system went off as intended and instead of taking notice of it, they just turned it off.
So many levels of incompetence...

It's Russia, what do you expect? Half the population is still grappling with the concept of electricity.

SPG · 27 Mar 2018 at 12:57

In Russia, people are not scared of fire, you westerners are soft.

Shocky-FM · 27 Mar 2018 at 14:02

Shocking health and safety at Russian mall leads to deaths.

It's awful of course, but not surprising.

Blocked exits and some numpty turned off the alarm, that's an almost funny level of incompetence.

Sankari · 27 Mar 2018 at 14:27

In Russia, fire alarms YOU!

SPG said:
In Russia, people are not scared of fire

And how's that working out for them so far?

SPG · 27 Mar 2018 at 14:48

Oh sorry did i give the impression i care about them or it ?

Terribly sorry about that.

EddScott · 27 Mar 2018 at 15:11

Reported that many children have been killed as they were in the cinema.

Irrespective of the why, it's quite heartbreaking.

Rroff · 27 Mar 2018 at 15:19

Evangelion said:
Russia's 3rd world safety standards claim their latest victims.

Isn't just Russia - people are incredibly complacent the world over towards health and safety unless rigorously enforced. Its been quite a pain in most jobs where I have been in a position of responsibility - even when you bring people up on it they'll often go back to lazy/complacent practices a week or so later.

Sankari · 27 Mar 2018 at 15:53

Rroff said:
Isn't just Russia - people are incredibly complacent the world over towards health and safety unless rigorously enforced. Its been quite a pain in most jobs where I have been in a position of responsibility - even when you bring people up on it they'll often go back to lazy/complacent practices a week or so later.

Yeah, but Russia is notorious for this sort of thing.

stopper · 27 Mar 2018 at 17:06

Evangelion said:
Russia's 3rd world safety standards claim their latest victims.

It's Russia, what do you expect? Half the population is still grappling with the concept of electricity.

The propaganda is strong in this one!

iamtheoneneo · 27 Mar 2018 at 17:09

SPG said:
Oh sorry did i give the impression i care about them or it ?

Terribly sorry about that.

Scores of kids are dead, have a little compassion without drinking too much of the propaganda cool-aid.

MookJong · 27 Mar 2018 at 17:16

Awful

You never think things like this will happen until they do. I hope this isn't a boy who cried wolf situation with the alarm. Always going off with false alarms so just ignored again in this case. A broken alarm is more dangerous than no alarm.

Dis86 · 27 Mar 2018 at 17:24

MookJong said:
Awful

You never think things like this will happen until they do. I hope this isn't a boy who cried wolf situation with the alarm. Always going off with false alarms so just ignored again in this case. A broken alarm is more dangerous than no alarm.

Alarm fatigue. It's why burglar alarms are nigh on useless.

StriderX · 27 Mar 2018 at 17:37

Seems Russia is covering it up (Failing miserably), NDA's and such for seeing the bodies. Doesn't really matter, when you've lost literally you're entire family, you won't care what the Russian government can do to you... as it's negligence has already done it's worst.

Hopefully this spurs the Russians into a true outcry, with diplomats on the way home with little to do and families completely destroyed, Putin is creating even more enemies than i think he can reasonably deal with.

The blocked exits were perhaps more to do with the teachers wanting to keep the children in control/safe, awkwardly, it's about the only reason they're dead.