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Tony Blair didnt order military action in the name of Christianity. Big difference.
Fireman Sam the Islamaphobe.
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Understand your opinion completely but in the grand scheme of things our society has only recently awoken from the dark ages. You and I have been afforded the luxury of growing up in a society that has become more and more non secular. We are afforded the right to freedom of opinion and speech. But it's a double edged sword, The freedom to say something and the freedom to not hear it are entirely the same thing.
We have people on both sides blowing things out of proportion. On one hand people like Duese are fed up with people being offended over everything and feels that society shouldn't be mollycoddled by lawmakers and that because he endured and overcame forms of bullying for things beyond his control no one else should be protected from it in the future. And on the other hand we have some overly sensitive people in this country who want to change our society to their beliefs. Both are wrong. But what any of that has to do with the fact a non secular childrens TV show randomly had a page of the quran in a pile of paper baffles most of us completely. Especially as the complaint wasn't really made it was just a "well that was weird" statement which only escalated when asked about it.
The best thing to do here would be just to remove it from the episode and pretend it never happened. Just like in Friends when chandlers joke about bombs in airports was removed.... No one cared in fact most people didn't even know it happened. But as usual people feel the need to twist it to their own agenda from all sides of the spectrum.
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EXACTLY
Sadly with this awakening I don't really see the world improving much.
Since WW2, we are living in the only time in recorded history where there has never been a break in some form of war or conflict in the world.
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Well it will only improve with a bit of tolerance from both sides. And some genuine application of that wonderful democracy we have. The issues with Brexit all stem from the rest of the country feeling detached from Westminster. Scotlands SNP majority stems from the very same thing. It's good that people are patriotic but historically Britain has been a hot bed for progression and change. Whilst I'm a huge advocate of the separation of religion from state it's not going to happen over night you only have to look at the peace troubles in Ireland to see it's not black and white.
You think like that because you are unable and unwilling to solve the actual issue without causing offense. Those two options you have narrow-mindedly created are neither the solution. The answer is education. It is absolutely possible to educate someone on how planets work without retorting to calling someone's ignorant beliefs "plain nonsense" nor having any opinion on someone's predisposed ideas.
"Validating their views by giving in to their request" ??? Amazing.
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I find that hard to believe.
There have been tribes at war since there have been tribes. How can you say with any degree of certainty that only now has there been continuous war?
What utter nonsense.
Education is about using facts, reason, logic, experience and understanding, none of which is compatible with, nor used by, religious doctrine.
How many times does it have to be proven that the great flood never took place, yet it is taught as historical fact in Islam? You cannot educate those who reject evidence and truth because it contradicts things they believe in.
Nor me, there's so much waffle in this thread!
What utter nonsense right back at you. You have no clue and you come across as a pretty sad individual.
So what if education is about using facts? How on earth is that a retort to absolutely anything I've said? All you are trying to do is jusify causing offense because you have no idea how to debate or educate someone.
You've completely missed the point here which is education is the only thing which can potentially fix anything. I know it's easy to label people's religious predispositions and cause offense but you know that these people have been indoctrinated with false ideas then you refuse to even give them the chance of a proper education without taking jibs at their condition? I swear it's isis who are supposed to be inhibiting education and have blown up many Muslim children in the process of inhibiting education.
Your attitude is rather peculiar. You want to reserve your right to cause offense yet you want to deny people the chance of being educated. I'm assuming you think this way because you know nothing to teach anyone.
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What utter nonsense right back at you. You have no clue and you come across as a pretty sad individual.
So what if education is about using facts? How on earth is that a retort to absolutely anything I've said? All you are trying to do is jusify causing offense because you have no idea how to debate or educate someone.
You've completely missed the point here which is education is the only thing which can potentially fix anything. I know it's easy to label people's religious predispositions and cause offense but you know that these people have been indoctrinated with false ideas then you refuse to even give them the chance of a proper education without taking jibs at their condition? I swear it's isis who are supposed to be inhibiting education and have blown up many Muslim children in the process of inhibiting education.
Your attitude stinks tbh. You want to reserve your right to cause offense yet you want to deny people the chance of being educated. I'm assuming you think this way because you know nothing to teach anyone.
Why are you ranting about something which nobody has said?
Do you hear voices?
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Metal Fireman Sam Wouldn't have stood for this nonsense.
Metal Fireman Sam Wouldn't have stood for this nonsense.
Good grief. I haven't got time to reply fully but are you claiming that all Muslims will suddenly accept the scientifically proven fact that the great flood never happened simply through education, a fact that completely undermines a pretty huge chunk of their entire religion?
Please explain how I'm denying anyone the chance to educate themselves?
Please explain how I'm denying anyone the chance to educate themselves?
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/sniggers and looks at the wall with all the mounted shields.
What utter nonsense right back at you. You have no clue and you come across as a pretty sad individual.
So what if education is about using facts? How on earth is that a retort to absolutely anything I've said? All you are trying to do is jusify causing offense because you have no idea how to debate or educate someone.
You've completely missed the point here which is education is the only thing which can potentially fix anything. I know it's easy to label people's religious predispositions and cause offense but you know that these people have been indoctrinated with false ideas then you refuse to even give them the chance of a proper education without taking jibs at their condition? I swear it's isis who are supposed to be inhibiting education and have blown up many Muslim children in the process of inhibiting education.
Your attitude is rather peculiar. You want to reserve your right to cause offense yet you want to deny people the chance of being educated. I'm assuming you think this way because you know nothing to teach anyone.
Who are you saying needs to be educated, btw? There are so many muslims, and/or people from countries with alien cultures, who do not like the west, our cultural norms, or even our western education.
I think you are perhaps confusing education with culture.
You can't educate someone into not being offended. Whether it be offense caused by depiction of their holy dead guy, offense caused by western girls wearing western clothing; offense caused by not having male/female segregation in schools, etc, etc, etc.
How are you going to use education to win these cultural battles?
You know what's more likely to happen... muslims will continue to go to muslim schools, receiving a traditional muslim education, and pass on their tendancy to be offended to their children. Increasingly there are more and more muslim schools, and they aren't getting a western education. No, they're getting an islamic education.
Precisely how this is going to help - well it isn't, is it. Everything points to the differences between our cultures being insurmountable. Otherwise they wouldn't need their own schools; their own courts, etc, etc. They'd integrate more if they weren't so diametrically opposed to western values and society.
Well, not really much to say is there...
Company release episode with a page of non illegible writing. Get notified about it and then pull episode, citing the fact it was all supposed to be illegible.
The end.
For some reasons someone thought it was sensible to write a news article about it, and then someone decided to post it on OcUK so a dozen people could be offended.