Fireman Sam the Islamaphobe.

Dis86 · 27 Jul 2016 at 11:40

neil_g said:
maybe the animation company just used a stock bunch of document images and put them into the animation. who'd know what they were using unless they spoke arabic?

I think that's most likely to be the case.

Yaayuh! · 27 Jul 2016 at 11:52

mrk said:
Who cares? I don't care. It's just a cartoon. There are more important things to be concerned about, like people who swish a teabag in their cup and call it a "brew".

And use a fork to do it.... :eek:

Mr Jack · 27 Jul 2016 at 11:52

h4rm0ny said:
Jesus is lacking hard evidence of his existence but in all probability did.

I wonder what people mean when they say Jesus existed. Mohammed is easy, there was a real bloke who did and said much of what was credited to him, wrote a lot of stuff down, made laws and founded a religion. What did the historical Jesus do? Did he say some or all of what is accredited to him? Was he baptised by John the Baptist? Was he crucified? What for? And so on.

It seems to me that if there was a historical Jesus then he was sufficiently far removed from the New Testament myths that it's not really clear he deserves the status of being referred to as a historical figure. Jesus is a myth, probably very, very loosely based on one or more historical figures.

RaohNS · 27 Jul 2016 at 11:58

Mr Jack said:
I wonder what people mean when they say Jesus existed. Mohammed is easy, there was a real bloke who did and said much of what was credited to him, wrote a lot of stuff down, made laws and founded a religion. What did the historical Jesus do? Did he say some or all of what is accredited to him? Was he baptised by John the Baptist? Was he crucified? What for? And so on.

It seems to me that if there was a historical Jesus then he was sufficiently far removed from the New Testament myths that it's not really clear he deserves the status of being referred to as a historical figure. Jesus is a myth, probably very, very loosely based on one or more historical figures.

Mohammed was illiterate according to some sources. He was a real bloke that was by all accounts a warlord and there is no way to detract from that.

Jesus likely existed given that a timeline of his life and events were wrote about. He preached love and understanding.

Also don't forget that a lot of the verses in the Koran were lost due to followers dying in battle.

zoomee · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:01

Arabic is one thing - Quranic Arabic is another and is specifically presented in the manner shown clearly on that page.

Surah Mulk - translation on that particular text caught on screen as follows:

15. He it is Who has made the earth smooth and subservient to you (for your benefit), so traverse (far and deep) into its spacious paths (for your spiritual and material advancement), and (thus by active labour) eat of His sustenance (and enjoy His gifts). To Him will you all return after having been raised to life.

16. Do you feel secure from Him Who is overhead (to you all, thinking) that He may leave you downtrodden in the earth and may cause it to sink with you when all of a sudden it begins to shake?

17. Do you feel secure from Him who reigns in the heaven (above you seeing), that He may send a violent storm raising dust and pebbles on you. Look! You shall soon realise how (true) was My warning!

18. And certainly their predecessors treated (My Messengers to them) as liars, then, see, how (destructive) was My disapproval (at their denial).

19. Have they not seen above them the birds with spread out wings (in flight) which they also draw in (to swoop down on the prey). None but the Most Gracious (God) holds them (there). Verily He has knowledge of each and everything.

20. Or who is it that can serve as an army to help you against the Most Gracious (God if He intends to do you harm). The disbelievers are only labouring under a misconception (in thinking to baffle the cause of God).

21. Or who is it that will provide sustenance for you if He withholds His gifts? The fact is that they persist in transgression and are running away (from the truth).

22. Is he, who goes grovelling on his face, better guided or he who walks upright on a straight and right path?

23. Say, 'It is He Who has brought you into being and made for you ears (to hear), eyes (to see) and hearts (to understand). Yet little thanks do you give!!

Only quoting this to highlight how quickly certain parts of the text can be taken out of context like RoahNS predictably did earlier

Whilst I didn't find it offensive to show the page the way they did (floating across the screen) - its the context. What's the need to show qu'ranic text on a kids show in that manner? - it is something that should be questioned; yes.

Something to get upset about? no definately not.

doofer · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:01

A page of a book is shown on a kids programme and there's immediate action, the offending episode is removed, people are dismissed, full investigation, embarrassed apologies from the owning company, massive condemnation by the mainstream media.

Someone gets raped/sexually assaulted/beheaded/blown up/driven over by a truck and we are told it is a different culture, here to enrich our diverse communities and we should be more tolerant....

Craterloads · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:02

RaohNS said:
Ok. To rephrase then: Why did they feel the need to apologise what have they done wrong and how?

Because it's quite disrespectful to Muslims having their holy book trampled on in a children's cartoon for no apparent reason. I would suspect if it was pages from the Torah they would apologise to the Jews or any other minority religion and probably if it was pages from the bible too.

Mr Jack · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:03

RaohNS said:
Jesus likely existed given that a timeline of his life and events were wrote about. He preached love and understanding.

But that timeline includes events that didn't happen (e.g. Herod killing children, the census), don't match up with the timeline of known events (e.g. Herod again), couldn't happen (e.g. every miracle), or were unlikely to have happened (e.g. the crucifixion, at least according to the sequence of events portrayed). The earliest written records date to long after his supposed death.

Craterloads · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:03

This thread is another shining example of the problems with GD and ocuk and one of the reasons I frequent the place less and less.

RaohNS · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:06

Craterloads said:
Because it's quite disrespectful to Muslims having their holy book trampled on in a children's cartoon for no apparent reason. I would suspect if it was pages from the Torah they would apologise to the Jews or any other minority religion and probably if it was pages from the bible too.

In what way is it disrespectful?

Name · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:07

In regards to the BBC, this is being reported on/trending more than the execution in Normandy yesterday which has now virtually disappeared, what gives ? :confused:

Craterloads · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:08

RaohNS said:
In what way is it disrespectful?

Well I appears it was one page of many from the Quran, which is a holy book for Muslims. Having fictional characters step on said pages is disrespectful.

gandhi · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:09

Dis86 said:
Yes, but why should others have to cater to that? One should not enforce their beliefs on others.

Yep, but you also need to respect others choices. 6 billion ways to live dude.

RaohNS · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:11

Craterloads said:
Well I appears it was one page of many from the Quran, which is a holy book for Muslims. Having fictional characters step on said pages is disrespectful.

A fictional character (not real) step on a book talking about a fictional (not real) being and what he grants to believers?

We don't know be actually stepped on that page though.

gandhi · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:12

Name said:
In regards to the BBC, this is being reported on/trending more than the execution in Normandy yesterday which has now virtually disappeared, what gives ?

Over saturated with violent crime.

Also, the less airtime you give to terrorists, the more you weaken their actions. the whole idea of terrorism is that the fear you instill into the general populace and disruption you cause as a result is greater motivator than the actual deaths you cause.

Puzzled · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:12

Craterloads said:
Because it's quite disrespectful to Muslims having their holy book trampled on in a children's cartoon for no apparent reason. I would suspect if it was pages from the Torah they would apologise to the Jews or any other minority religion and probably if it was pages from the bible too.

I'm offended by the amount of paper they are wasting, haven't they heard of a paperless office!

There are quite a few muslims in China but they seem to be mainly in one region, could well be that the animator just stuck a load of stock document images in without realising. Maybe not, either way I don't see why it deserves a news story.

RaohNS · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:13

Name said:
In regards to the BBC, this is being reported on/trending more than the execution in Normandy yesterday which has now virtually disappeared, what gives ?

Causing offence is these days worse than murder it seems.

Fireman Sam... A racist xenophobe... Stepping on a page of a book that advocates...

ron3003 · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:14

Name said:
In regards to the BBC, this is being reported on/trending more than the execution in Normandy yesterday which has now virtually disappeared, what gives ?

Deflection from yesterdays horrific events, portrays muslims as victims instead.

gandhi · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:16

RaohNS said:
In what way is it disrespectful?

The Qur'an is considered to be so Holy that Muslims treat it with enormous respect.

While It is being read:

• You must not speak
• You must not eat or drink
• You must concentrate quietly.

It is not to be touched unnecessarily. Before reading it or touching it:

• You must wash thoroughly
• You must be in the right frame of mind and have good intentions
• You must seek refuge in God from satan's wicked intentions
• Women should be clear from menstruation.

Upon completion of its recitation one should conclude the session with certain phrases, at least stating that the Exalted God speaks the Truth, His Blessings be upon Muhammad (SA) and his kinsfolk. But normally, a longer prayer is recited.

When not being recited, it should be:

• Placed high up, so that nothing is put on top of it
• Kept covered with a light cloth to shield it from dust.

So yeah, showing a cartoon character stamping on it would be considered offensive.

Would you offer a bacon sandwich to a jewish person, or Big Mac to a Hindu?

Craterloads · 27 Jul 2016 at 12:17

RaohNS said:
A fictional character (not real) step on a book talking about a fictional (not real) being and what he grants to believers?

We don't know be actually stepped on that page though.

You are being intentionally obtuse and offensive, wether you believe or not is irrelevant and besides the point.

We do know he steps on a page and slips and from there page is depicted from the Quran. Like I said if it was from the Torah, Hindu scriptures etc the reaction from the production team would be the same.