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first 4870 review

if this is the case i may try 2 4870s in crossfire and see what i get

If im not going to see any performance increase in 2 X2s then theres not much point in getting them.
 
mrk said:
I don't see why there was a mad rush, the issues seen only affected certain brands and my 8800Zotac GT OC is stillon the revision 1 cooler and I have had it since release day no issues whatsoever even overclocked further.
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Are you denying that a better cooler and a cooler running GPU will often let you overclock further?
 
is there any benchmarks with a 8800gtx in so i can see what difference there will be or should i just take it from the 9800gtx as thats about the same,
 
It looks an absolute cracker, especially with AA on. :eek:

I was giong to get one, then i changed my mind as i hardly game anymore, but now after seeing em im tempted. :D
 
The 512MB 4870 results are proving that more than 512MB is not needed to get decent performance at 1920x1200! crysis performance VERY HIGH settings looks great and that's with 4xFSAA so I think other newer games coming will be even better thanks to optimisations and matured drivers by that time.

Roll on 4870 512MB for me then!
 
mrk said:
The 512MB 4870 results are proving that more than 512MB is not needed to get decent performance at 1920x1200! crysis performance VERY HIGH settings looks great and that's with 4xFSAA so I think other newer games coming will be even better thanks to optimisations and matured drivers by that time.

Roll on 4870 512MB for me then!
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I keep trying to spread the idea to people that, ATi are just MUCH further ahead in texture compression, which means they can simply fit more into 512mb mem than nvidia can. The last 3 generations of cards have shown that now. Specifically go back and look at 8800 reviews, in high res situations a x1900xt 256 will beat a 8800 gts 320, and a x1900xt 512 will beat a 8800gts 640mb, simply because in those games at 1920x1200 and high aa/af settings the memory usage went higher than 320 on the nvidia card, and was still below 256mb on the ati card. This puts them at a MASSIVE advantage, massive. Mostly because of that, they can still get away with the cheap bus, less mem and a much much cheaper pcb/power setup because of it. the difference in pcb layers, design in routing all the extra traces, signal interference, more clear power needed more power used etc is why the 280gtx costs so much, that and the stupidly large core, but then thats due to 65nm AND the fact it has a larger bus, larger pinout, larger core.

Nvidia most likely don't need 1gb yet, but probably do need above 512mb , so you're kind of stuck as they didn't want return to 768mb card and a 384mb bus, as thats admiting everything since the 8800gtx was a mistake.

Either way, the cards look great, as expected, the price hike ATi could very very clearly have gone with, and turned away from their "low cost" plan for the whole platform. Ye of little faith, I told you it was their long term plan to have an ultimately very cheap platform. You realise the deals they will now do with the likes of dell , and everyone else for spider, a cheap ass quad core, a cheap high pci-e lane top end mobo and the cheapest, and best performance cards all for much cheaper than ANYONE can offer a similar package. Will just wait for the gouging to stop and pick one up for what, £180 maybe £190. Even then the cost of the 4850 is similar to the 3850 at launch, the only reason the 4870 isn't around the £140-150 mark like the 3870 before it, is GDDR5, too new, to expensive, GDDR3 had been around a while so was cheap. Once GDDR5 hits bigger production we can probably expect this card to drop to the £150 mark in a few months.

Nvidia's 55nm card still won't compete, won't be anywhere near that price and won't be much faster performance wise. Gddr5 will do nothing for them, with that bus they have they have way more bandwidth than needed as is so slight clock bump won't do much for them. ATi simply put have this generation wrapped up completely already. Nvidia can not compete with their core, at all.
 
drunkenmaster said:
I keep trying to spread the idea to people that, ATi are just MUCH further ahead in texture compression, which means they can simply fit more into 512mb mem than nvidia can. The last 3 generations of cards have shown that now. Specifically go back and look at 8800 reviews, in high res situations a x1900xt 256 will beat a 8800 gts 320, and a x1900xt 512 will beat a 8800gts 640mb, simply because in those games at 1920x1200 and high aa/af settings the memory usage went higher than 320 on the nvidia card, and was still below 256mb on the ati card. This puts them at a MASSIVE advantage, massive. Mostly because of that, they can still get away with the cheap bus, less mem and a much much cheaper pcb/power setup because of it. the difference in pcb layers, design in routing all the extra traces, signal interference, more clear power needed more power used etc is why the 280gtx costs so much, that and the stupidly large core, but then thats due to 65nm AND the fact it has a larger bus, larger pinout, larger core.

Nvidia most likely don't need 1gb yet, but probably do need above 512mb , so you're kind of stuck as they didn't want return to 768mb card and a 384mb bus, as thats admiting everything since the 8800gtx was a mistake.

Either way, the cards look great, as expected, the price hike ATi could very very clearly have gone with, and turned away from their "low cost" plan for the whole platform. Ye of little faith, I told you it was their long term plan to have an ultimately very cheap platform. You realise the deals they will now do with the likes of dell , and everyone else for spider, a cheap ass quad core, a cheap high pci-e lane top end mobo and the cheapest, and best performance cards all for much cheaper than ANYONE can offer a similar package. Will just wait for the gouging to stop and pick one up for what, £180 maybe £190. Even then the cost of the 4850 is similar to the 3850 at launch, the only reason the 4870 isn't around the £140-150 mark like the 3870 before it, is GDDR5, too new, to expensive, GDDR3 had been around a while so was cheap. Once GDDR5 hits bigger production we can probably expect this card to drop to the £150 mark in a few months.

Nvidia's 55nm card still won't compete, won't be anywhere near that price and won't be much faster performance wise. Gddr5 will do nothing for them, with that bus they have they have way more bandwidth than needed as is so slight clock bump won't do much for them. ATi simply put have this generation wrapped up completely already. Nvidia can not compete with their core, at all.
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I agree!

Pretty much this whole situation can be summed up in one paragraph if you keep one thing in mind and that is the future of PC gaming.

ATI Returned PC gaming to the masses especially in relation to what you mentioned about being a bigger OEM partner than ever before with cheap but high end cards because at the moment there simply are not enough cheap but high end performance cards in the OEM market :)
 
Final8y said:
Near the swimming pool.
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i've lived in ealing all my life, frankly I never knew there was a Gurnell "area" , just the name of the swimming pool. Its surrounded by greenford, and the other area's. Havent' been to that swimming pool since the day I got there, was about to go in, and everyone was getting out fast as possible....... FLOATER.
 
Yeah and the grandson of the the 9800gtx may be 10-15% faster too lol

Nvidia lost the plot with trying to confuse everyone with re-hashes without making a decent named lineup

Anyways i'm sooooo stressed at waiting i could snap and go boom :(

Usually 2pm here in ole blightey ati end the NDA ??

C'mon ATI

Ciao

Def
 
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