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Samsung, quicker and cheaper.

Also conside egtting two 64gb Samsung drives and putting them in RAID for an even faster drive.
 
Greebo said:
Samsung, quicker and cheaper.

Also conside egtting two 64gb Samsung drives and putting them in RAID for an even faster drive.
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In benchmarks perhaps. But in real-world scenarios, are they prone to stutter? (Unlike the Vertexes)
 
The samsungs don't stutter. They've got 128MB cache onboard (Vertexes have 64)

I've not seen any proper benchmarks of the PB22-J's, but from what i have seen they are on par with Vertexes in sequential reads/writes, but Vertexes have the edge in IOPS.

New firmware is coming out all the time for Vertexes too, for feature and speed improvements but it's up to you whether you can be bothered to flash and reimage them.

For the price difference, I'd go Samsung at this point.
 
With technology this new having the ability to flash new firmware may prove to be very useful, especially when OCZ is dedicated to satisfying customers like they are.
 
I read on the OCZ forum that a member there has a Samsung SSD and wrote to Samsung asking about updating its firmware, Samsung wrote back the their SSDs are not flashable. I just ordered my first SSD, a 60GB Vertex. :D
 
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The thing with Samsungs not being flashable, is that they don't need the facility, since Samsung have many many times the resources to put into getting the firmware right first time.
Indilinx/OCZ are tiny in comparison so the users are pretty much beta testing the firmware. I think there have been a couple of times now that bugs have shown up in their releases and people have lost data or needed to reflash with a fixed version.

Until they figure out a way to let you reflash without wiping the drives, it's a bit too much like hard work for me :P
 
Zarf said:
Samsung have many many times the resources to put into getting the firmware right first time.

,,, it's a bit too much like hard work for me :P
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Right, so their huge resource base is why the earlier Samsung's had stuttering then?

It's precisely because OCZ are smaller that they are on their toes regarding giving their customers what they want - did you read Anandtech's SSD Anthology? If so you'll know that OCZ's CEO himself had meetings with Anand to see what they could do to improve their performance in real world usage rather than in synthetic benchmarks where sustained reads/writes are quoted. It's funny but I don't see Samsung's CEO even mentioned in any of those articles - I wonder how much attention they pay to their customer's when they say their product is under-performing?

And regarding it being too much like hard work for you - if you are going to be an early adopter of any tech you should expect some hard work involved with getting the best out of it, after all that's what these forums are all about - people taking the plunge, reporting and sharing their experiences for the benefit of all.

I suggest to the OP that the Vertex's are currently the best bang for buck SSD's available as there is simply not enough info or support on the Samsung's yet.
 
You can flash vertex SSD's without loosing your data now, I'm pretty sure that's what it said when I downloaded the latest files for a bootable CD. Only takes a second...blink and you'll miss it.
 
Well after reading the coments going to order the OCZ Vertex Series 120GB 2.5" SATA-II Solid State Hard Drive. thanks for the help.
 
FaceplantSi said:
Right, so their huge resource base is why the earlier Samsung's had stuttering then?

And regarding it being too much like hard work for you - if you are going to be an early adopter of any tech you should expect some hard work involved with getting the best out of it, after all that's what these forums are all about - people taking the plunge, reporting and sharing their experiences for the benefit of all.

I suggest to the OP that the Vertex's are currently the best bang for buck SSD's available as there is simply not enough info or support on the Samsung's yet.
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The first lot of Samsung drives weren't massively quick (think they topped out at 90MB/s read), but they diddn't stutter - which is why big companies like Apple and Lenovo sold them in their laptops.

I do think having firmware releases is a good thing, I'd just like them to reproduce Intels feat, and make the process as pain free as possible. A bootable cd that flashes all your drives and doesn't wipe your data is about as good as the process can get.
 
Zarf said:
The thing with Samsungs not being flashable, is that they don't need the facility, since Samsung have many many times the resources to put into getting the firmware right first time.
Indilinx/OCZ are tiny in comparison so the users are pretty much beta testing the firmware. I think there have been a couple of times now that bugs have shown up in their releases and people have lost data or needed to reflash with a fixed version.

Until they figure out a way to let you reflash without wiping the drives, it's a bit too much like hard work for me :P
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Sorry - I don't believe that Samsung, or any company, would be a bug free implementation straight out.

OCZ have started creating firmware updates that don't need to erase the drive. They have shown on their forums an exceptional level of feedback and working with customers to resolve issues.

The Vertex doesn't use Jmicron.

*pats his Vertex 120GB in the MBP I'm typing on*
 
DavidB said:
But samsung never touched the JMicron controllers, they've always used there own, AFAIK ?
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Yes but they were not even half as fast as the Vertex. The Trim tool that OCZ is working on will make the ocz remain faster while the samsungs like all ssd's will eventually write to every file degrading it's performance.
 
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