First Intel Processor with AMD Radeon Graphics Within 2017

[humbug]

Back in December, it was reported that Intel could license AMD's GPU technology for integration into its future processors. The whispers are growing louder, with Hard|OCP editor Kyle Bennett (who broke the original December story), reporting that the first product of this collaboration could be out within 2017. According to Bennett, posting on the Hard|OCP Forums, the first Intel product with AMD Radeon GPU IP could be a special processor with an AMD Radeon GPU die, and a CPU die based on the "Kaby Lake" micro-architecture.

Bennett further adds that the Radeon-enhanced Intel processor could be a multi-chip module (MCM) with the Radeon GPU die being separate from the CPU die, it won't be an on-die component such as Intel's own HD Graphics solution. This could also mean that AMD will supply nearly-finished dies to Intel, likely manufactured at its own trusted fabs (Global Foundries or TSMC), and not hand over sensitive designs over to Intel's fabs. The product could be an entry-mid range product, which means Intel is trying to aim for the value consumer segment, and not necessarily the workstation crowd. Bennett concludes that one could expect more collaboration between Intel and AMD over graphics IP in the future.

https://www.techpowerup.com/230360/first-intel-processor-with-amd-radeon-graphics-within-2017

 

[Kaapstad]

Would rather pay extra for an intel quadcore without any integrated graphics.

To me integrated graphics is wasted die space.

 

[StriderX]

Have to agree with the above, imagine all the performance that could be had if they just released a pure CPU... Also will Intel ever revive Larrabee?

 

[Freddie1980]

Would rather pay extra for an intel quadcore without any integrated graphics.

To me integrated graphics is wasted die space.

Oddly enough these aren't aimed at users who spent thousands on discrete graphics cards.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea for AMD to license it's graphics technology to Intel, graphics is the only technical advantage AMD has over Intel and is the only thing kept its CPU line from falling into complete obscurity over the last 6 years.

 

[Steampunk]

Oddly enough tbese aren't aimed at users who spent thousands on discrete graphics cards.

I'm not sure if it's a good idea for AMD to license it's graphics technology to Intel, graphics is the only technical advantage AMD has over Intel and is the only thing kept its CPU line from falling into complete obscurity over the last 6 years.

It means AMD makes money when their competitor sells a chip. That's money they wouldn't have got at all if someone bought an Intel chip with an Intel graphics core.

It worked for Samsung when they were putting their chips in Apple phones.

 

[BS Dave]

i like the dual gfx possibilities.

 

[nashathedog]

I think it's a good move all round. It gives AMD's gpu architecture the chance to hold the majority slice of the pie (gaming) and have more titles built with there cores in mind, Sure Nvidia got the Switch but that's not a big loss, If it had been more capable than the ps4 and x-one it may of done well but I think its going to be more of the same for Nintendo with the majority of big game releases not bothering with it and that leaves AMD with the two big consoles, RTG and Intel, That's a strong hand to hold.

i like the dual gfx possibilities.

It'll be great if there's a way to use the AMD core on the Intel chip to do odd's and sods alongside the discrete AMD gpu, lightening the load.

 

[Minstadave]

I don't really get it.

AMD dominate in the console space because they can make an APU with half decent graphics capabilities. Now they're handing their only real trump card to Intel, just as they are hopefully going to have a competitive CPU architecture.

 

[ExoMale]

think its already happened, i was in C world earlier having a look at laptops and one that caught my eye was the Lenovo Ideapad 310, the one i saw was an A10 APU, but when i googled it for more info, there were more intel based versions and i sworn i saw intel with amd graphics....


infact i quickly looked and this what i found though it does say optional in brackets

http://www3.lenovo.com/gb/en/laptops/ideapad/300-series/IdeaPad-310-15ISK/p/88IP3000706

just incase the link isnt allowed for whatever reason here is the spec from the site.

Tech Specs
Processor
Up to Intel® Pentium® Apollo Lake Processor(Quad-Core)
Operating System
Windows 10 Home
Graphics
AMD Radeon™ R5 M430 2 GB(Optional)
Webcam
0.3 MP or 1 MP, with Microphone
Memory
Up to 8 GB DDR3L
Storage
Up to 1 TB HDD or
Up to 500 GB SSHD or
Up to 256 GB SSD
Audio
2 x Stereo Speakers with Dolby Audio™
Battery
30 WHr or 39 WHr,
**Up to 5 Hours Video Playback
Display
Up to 15.6" FHD (1920 x 1080)
Dimensions (W x D x H)
(mm) : 379 x 260 x 22.9
(inches) : 14.92" x 10.24" x 0.9"
Weight (with Battery)
Starting at ~4.8 lbs (~2.2 kg)
Colors
Ebony Black (Smooth)
Ebony Black (Textured)
Platinum Silver
Flamenco Red
Indigo Purple
Chalk White
ODD
Built-in DVD Drive(Optional)
WLAN
WiFi 802.11 ac
LAN
10/100/1000M Gigabit Ethernet
Bluetooth®
Bluetooth® 4.1 Combo with WiFi Card
Ports
1 x USB 3.0
2 x USB 2.0
3.5 mm Combo Audio Jack
1 x VGA
1 x HDMI™
1 x RJ45 Gigabit LAN
4-in-1 Card Reader (SD, SDHC, SDXC, MMC)
Specifications may vary depending upon region.
Tools & Productivity
Microsoft Office 365 Trial Version
Lenovo Solution Center
Lenovo SHAREit
Lenovo REACHit
Power2Go Blu-ray Disc™/DVD
Multimedia
PowerDVD 10 Blu-ray Disc™/DVD
Lenovo Photo Master 2.0
Security & Protection
McAfee® LiveSafe™
Lenovo OneKey Recovery

 

[holdin09]

I think it's good for AMD that they can make money and puts their name in consumers minds so if they want to buy a GPU they might look at AMD. Also they might be able to offer crossfire like they do with their APU's so again could boost sales.

 

[chongker]

Interesting stuff, the AMD A10-7850K that I had some time ago was a bit of a disappointment on the CPU side, but the iGPU side was fine. Efficient Intel CPU cores with the latest GCN GPU in a single chips sounds like it would make for a great low cost HTPC build. I wonder if they might consider HBM as well, or will AMD keep that for themselves for their Zen chips? That might be AMDs trump card even if they license out their GPU tech.

 

[r7slayer]

How are people finding it hard to get to grasps with this concept? Yes AMD make better APUs vs their intel counter part when it comes to graphical performance. But Intel still sell significantly more CPUs with integrated graphics. Now Zen is around the corner and hopefully will turn the tides when it comes to CPU performance for AMD however Intel are still going to be selling CPUs never the less. Only thing lacking is their IGPU. By licensing AMD GPU technology they can rectify this. But don't think this is going to take money from AMD no it's doing the opposite. AMD are now making money from Intel from their CPUs too.

This can be a big thing when it comes to OEM computers such as Dell, Acer etc that sell a lot of computers to business etc. It's a smart move for AMD.

edit -
wonder how the intel slogan will go?
Powered by Intel
Envisioned by Radeon.
??

 

[Tute]

It'll be great if there's a way to use the AMD core on the Intel chip to do odd's and sods alongside the discrete AMD gpu, lightening the load.

I'm shocked this hasn't been done already, it'd be a great way to gain an advantage over nVidia and shift some AMD processors at the same time.

 

[hornetstinger]

How about all this on a single CPU die

CPU
32GB of system memory
2TB of non volatile storage
Nvidia or AMD top end GPU in SLI/Crossfire combination.

 

[Freddie1980]

How much will AMD make per sale of an Intel chip? A few cents per unit going by what ARM gets when they licence their I.P. The return AMD will make won't make up for sacrificing there biggest and only technical advantage they have over their competitors IMO.

 

[Minstadave]

It looks like AMD is not licensing IP but selling chips to Intel to integrate on package. So probably more profitable.

 

[ExoMale]

they may need to add on to better than that pentium i listed although it is a nice laptop all the same, would take the A10 i saw though.

 

[eddyr]

No idea of the truth to this news but if we take it as accurate, it's easy to see what the advantages could be. This would allow them to cut the die size by a third or more for the U/Y models (Intel will keep on die display controller and important multimedia features as critical CPU features retained across the entire mobile/mainstream desktop range). Easier on yields, more profit. Why not. They can then offer more capable GPU performance for only the customers and devices that need it with a tailored GPU on package model.
Wonder if this will lead to Intel coming in on HSA in the longterm. Would require additional cross licencing with AMD for graphics IP as they would want security.

 

[AlamoX]

if this brings them money, why not !
although i wonder what IP intel can use, that it extend to vega's NGCN or limits it to old GCN.

I think it's a good move all round. It gives AMD's gpu architecture the chance to hold the majority slice of the pie (gaming) and have more titles built with there cores in mind, Sure Nvidia got the Switch but that's not a big loss, If it had been more capable than the ps4 and x-one it may of done well but I think its going to be more of the same for Nintendo with the majority of big game releases not bothering with it and that leaves AMD with the two big consoles, RTG and Intel, That's a strong hand to hold.
It'll be great if there's a way to use the AMD core on the Intel chip to do odd's and sods alongside the discrete AMD gpu, lightening the load.

and i think AMD wont provide them with radeon graphics, just that intel can use graphic patents from AMD, so no market share change or extra exposure, it would be just extra money , but as i said above it depands on what patent intel will use, i hope AMD keeps vega/polaris cores exclusive to their APUs.

 

[dbmzk1]

It looks like AMD is not licensing IP but selling chips to Intel to integrate on package. So probably more profitable.

AMD don't make chips.