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First Intel Processor with AMD Radeon Graphics Within 2017

drunkenmaster said:
Take a Intel chip, put it on the same organic packaging as a RX460.... and done. This isn't the most complex thing in the world to get done. They aren't talking about an on die gpu, but on package, meaning two separate chips and putting them together on a package, you would need to design the packaging and that is it.

However, because the news/leak is coming out now, wouldn't mean Intel may have made this deal with AMD 3 years ago.

I can't even comprehend how you think it can't happen this year, what makes it seem impossible exactly?
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Besides the fact I know it's not coming, because it would coincide with X299. Unless one cares about the mobile market, that's a possibility but still unlikely.
 
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Silent_Scone said:
Besides the fact I know it's not coming, because it would coincide with X299. Unless one cares about the mobile market, that's a possibility but still unlikely.
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What has either of these things got to do with, you know, anything? Intel can't release two products within a year, better tell Intel because they've been messing up and releasing more than two products a year.

It's possible it's coming to mobile.... but you know for a fact it's not coming. You're contradicting yourself in your own post, and the one I replied to in which you said you can't even comprehend how they think it's coming this year.... you can't comprehend it yet you then state well it could come to mobile.
 
Silent_Scone said:
Besides the fact I know it's not coming, because it would coincide with X299. Unless one cares about the mobile market, that's a possibility but still unlikely.
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You have already been warned about this "I know things" attitude - if I spot another instance then as far as I am concerned it's instant suspension. It serves no purpose other than to wind people up, especially when you won't reveal how you apparently know this.

Open a FCD thread, share some proof with the Mods, and we can discuss how you can share your "insider info" (if indeed there is any), in a constructive manner.

Thanks - Armageus
 
TPu aren't saying they came up with this, they are repeating news and literally state the source, so TPU coming up with bogus information isn't an excuse, you believe Kyle and, I forget who the other source saying it was without checking again, or you don't believe them. Not believing TPU is pretty much irrelevant.

Second, if the article doesn't state desktop, then why assume desktop and then state you can't comprehend how they think this can happen this year. You made an assumption of your own to them have a go at them, when in your next post coming up with the idea of how it might be possible, it still makes no sense.

Desktop and mobile.... use the same chips and architecture, so what's possible in desktop is possible in mobile. Even with HEDT market and the x99 type platform... it's still easily possible. Ship a smaller cpu with a gpu on package and add some display output via a pci-e bracket/adaptor, easy. But doing it for mainstream... child's play.
 
Take it with a pinch of salt. Reads like someone trying to think of a new news item. Too many "could" words. Needs more than "whispers". Just speculation. Could happen this year. Could not.
 
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http://wccftech.com/intel-kaby-lake-g-hbm2-gpu-multi-die/

Look like Kaby Lake-G discrete GPU will not have Radeon GPU but Intel HD Graphics GT2 GPU, HBM2 memory and ENIB.

If Kaby Lake-G still use Intel HD Graphics then what Radeon graphics IPs did Intel incorporated it into HD Graphics after signed IP license agreement with RTG?

Possible 2 things on my mind are Asynchronous Compute Engine and Primitive Discard Accelerator.

Guess Intel will launch Kaby Lake-G around the same time with AMD Raven Ridge to see powerful HD Graphics iGPU with HBM2 compete with Vega iGPU.

Intel ENIB looked very interesting, if it will be very successful, very cheap and able to mass produced at high yield then it will be far more efficient than AMD's disastrous very poor yield and very expensive HBM and HBM2 interposer designs. Hope Nvidia will have something similar to ENIB that will be in future consumer Nvidia GPUs with HBM2 after Volta in 2020.
 
Bore off with your misinformed assumptions. Everyone takes wccftech with a truck load of salt.

Anyway from that article it says

There’s no telling if the on-board GPU is an in-house Intel design or part of the alleged licensing deal between Intel and AMD that will allow Intel to use AMD’s graphics IP for their processors.

Little is still known about the Kaby Lake-G series but it’ll be interesting to see if a deal really formulates between AMD and Intel allowing faster processors with capable graphics cores.
Soo your wrong as usual. We dont know much and nothing solid. The gpu could be amd gpu ip. Or maybe not.
 
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Kaapstad said:
To me integrated graphics is wasted die space.
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Obviously integrated graphics are not much good for gaming and such but for desktop use they are as good as the most powerful GPU. I built a cheap i3 streaming PC (with an Elgato doing all the work in it) and the IG output 1440p as well as any GPU could.
 
Safetytrousers said:
Obviously integrated graphics are not much good for gaming and such but for desktop use they are as good as the most powerful GPU. I built a cheap i3 streaming PC (with an Elgato doing all the work in it) and the IG output 1440p as well as any GPU could.
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Yea its good for just outputting a signal to your monitor and watching videos perhaps 4k stuff but gaming it falls on its knees. Think kaaps point is your not going to be buying a i7 for stuff like that. If your getting a i7 or even a i5 most likley what ever your doing your going to pair it with a discrete gpu. So that extra space us wasted on the gpu for a high end cpu part. Could vbe better spent on a coupme extra cores. Supprised intel havnt gone and made a 6 core 12 thread desktop part with no gpu.
 
r7slayer said:
Bore off with your misinformed assumptions. Everyone takes wccftech with a truck load of salt.

Anyway from that article it says

There’s no telling if the on-board GPU is an in-house Intel design or part of the alleged licensing deal between Intel and AMD that will allow Intel to use AMD’s graphics IP for their processors.

Little is still known about the Kaby Lake-G series but it’ll be interesting to see if a deal really formulates between AMD and Intel allowing faster processors with capable graphics cores.
Soo your wrong as usual. We dont know much and nothing solid. The gpu could be amd gpu ip. Or maybe not.
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People assume that because it has HBM2 memory it has to be an AMD GPU, which of course isn't the case. I also don't see why AMD wouldn't supply Intel with the GPUs they need, as that would basically cement AMD's position in the GPU market and force most developers' hands to prioritize AMD's GPUs. AMD would lose some market share in the APU space, but at the same time it would gain much more due to increased dev support.
 
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Safetytrousers said:
Obviously integrated graphics are not much good for gaming and such but for desktop use they are as good as the most powerful GPU. I built a cheap i3 streaming PC (with an Elgato doing all the work in it) and the IG output 1440p as well as any GPU could.
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They're getting closer and closer to being decently gaming capable, The way AMD's bulldozer derived apu's responded to ram speed showed a lot promise especially with DDR4 and HBM incoming, I imagine a Ryzen APU with fast DDR4 will pair up well with an LFC capable 1080p Freesync monitor, You won't be maxing the settings on a lot of games but it'll make a perfectly capable consolite for the front room.
 
Toss3 said:
People assume that because it has HBM2 memory it has to be an AMD GPU, which of course isn't the case. I also don't see why AMD wouldn't supply Intel with the GPUs they need, as that would basically cement AMD's position in the GPU market and force most developers' hands to prioritize AMD's GPUs. AMD would lose some market share in the APU space, but at the same time it would gain much more due to increased dev support.
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Would they loose money though? Every intel processor that sells will make amd money.
 
The cynic in me says it's just a way for Intel to get a look at modern GPU architecture so they can try and muscle in on AMD and NVidia's market share. A bit like BMW 'saving' Rover when they just wanted tog et their hands on Land Rover's tech and knowledge on 4WD. Once attained, Rover got dumped.
 
r7slayer said:
Yea its good for just outputting a signal to your monitor and watching videos perhaps 4k stuff but gaming it falls on its knees. Think kaaps point is your not going to be buying a i7 for stuff like that. If your getting a i7 or even a i5 most likley what ever your doing your going to pair it with a discrete gpu. So that extra space us wasted on the gpu for a high end cpu part. Could vbe better spent on a coupme extra cores. Supprised intel havnt gone and made a 6 core 12 thread desktop part with no gpu.
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Intel has X58 iirc was the first or was there a earlier one?
 
MissChief said:
The cynic in me says it's just a way for Intel to get a look at modern GPU architecture so they can try and muscle in on AMD and NVidia's market share. A bit like BMW 'saving' Rover when they just wanted tog et their hands on Land Rover's tech and knowledge on 4WD. Once attained, Rover got dumped.
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Two problems with that, first is they tried to make a discrete gpu, it failed miserably, cost a lot and got them nowhere. Second is they've had Nvidia gpu tech patents for the last 6 years or whatever it is and plenty of cross agreements with AMD tech in the past. They don't need to get a AMD gpu on die to reverse engineer it. They can buy a dozen AMD cards at the local retailer, take them back to the labs, take some apart slice by slice on an electron microscope, test software, open the driver, etc, etc. I would dare say AMD, Intel and Nvidia can reverse engineer each others chips in a few weeks if they wanted to... the problem is that only gets you to being able to make a copy or something based on the same basic designs which means it's covered by patents.

If Intel reverse engineer and AMD chip and start selling their own with basically identical architecture, they'll pay hundreds of millions in damages.

Probably one of the biggest reasons Larabee failed was Intel didn't need to make just any high performance GPU they had to make a GPU different enough from AMD and Nvidia to not be sued to hell and back for selling it.
 
Wow AMD have given Intel their latest and "greatest" in video processing IP, on one hand I'm shocked they AMD would surrender their biggest edge to their rival on the other I understand why they have done it (lack of uptake from OEM's on AMD's own products).
 
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