Fitting integrated kitchen appliances

[Semple]

I've been designing a new kitchen, and one thing i've deliberately spec'd is to offset the kitchen units on one wall that houses the dishwasher / washing machine by 40mm. This is being questioned by the kitchen company as unnecessary as they claim the 560mm depth cabinets is more than sufficient.

Looking at AO's install guides for their dishwashers/washing machines and they state that there should be a gap of 30mm for washing machines and 50mm for dishwashers for the necessary pipework. For a dishwasher this would then only leave space for a 510mm appliance - i can't see a single dishwasher on AO's site that has a depth of 510mm, they all look to be around 550mm which would mean squashing the pipe into the last 10mm gap, or having to bring the door forward which then looks naff.

I can't be the only one that's considered this? I accept AO's guidelines may be a little OTT regarding the gap for the dishwasher, but even reducing that to a 20mm gap for the pipework would mean dishwashers of 550mm still couldn't fit in a 560mm depth space.

What's everyone else done for their integrated appliances - made a bigger gap, or just deliberately bought smaller appliances?

 

[Deleted User 298457]

I have whatever depth DIY kitchens are with integrated fridge, and dishwasher. It was critical I went right to the wall as otherwise I'd foul the door frame.

The dishwasher pipes come out of the bottom so the unit itself is back fully against the wall, with the pipes routed under the pelmet.

Hard to describe but check out the Neff rear view and you'll see.

 

[Semple]

I have whatever depth DIY kitchens are with integrated fridge, and dishwasher. It was critical I went right to the wall as otherwise I'd foul the door frame.

The dishwasher pipes come out of the bottom so the unit itself is back fully against the wall, with the pipes routed under the pelmet.

Hard to describe but check out the Neff rear view and you'll see.

Yeah so my argument is with DIY kitchens as their standard depth unit is 560mm. I can see the back of this Neff the pipework does come out the bottom so that might provide some room (https://ao.com/product/s187zcx43g-neff-n70-standard-dishwasher-stainless-steel-83242-23.aspx). Are you also not concerned about the lack of airflow to the back of the machine / overheating? My parents last dishwasher was pushed right back against the wall and it was resting against the plug for it which caused it to melt - luckily it didn't catch fire.

What have you done about your washing machine? My existing one does have the pipes going in the back rather than the bottom, and i'd already fallen foul of pushing it back as far as it goes but the front protrudes the cupboards side-by-side which means sticking a door on it looks silly.

 

[Reuben klang]

It is a bit of an issue but the issue is mainly down to the plug top rather than the pipe work - for everything be it fridge, freezer, washing machine even the integrated microwaves. Some times you have to cut the plug top off and hard wire it or move the socket! Either way the void at the back of most is enough. AFAIK it’s only ikea that don’t have the depth at the back.

You will be dictated by the end panels anyway unless the entire thing is on one wall corner to corner!

 

[Reuben klang]

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I’ve got that

Min 550 and the plumbing goes at the bottom. If you get the socket fitted where a skirting board would go it’ll fit in lush

Also if you have enough room while you’re at the planning stage. Get two dishwashers. You can then use one as a clean and one as a dirty and you don’t lose anyway storage space.

 

[Deleted User 298457]

Yeah so my argument is with DIY kitchens as their standard depth unit is 560mm. I can see the back of this Neff the pipework does come out the bottom so that might provide some room (https://ao.com/product/s187zcx43g-neff-n70-standard-dishwasher-stainless-steel-83242-23.aspx). Are you also not concerned about the lack of airflow to the back of the machine / overheating? My parents last dishwasher was pushed right back against the wall and it was resting against the plug for it which caused it to melt - luckily it didn't catch fire.

What have you done about your washing machine? My existing one does have the pipes going in the back rather than the bottom, and i'd already fallen foul of pushing it back as far as it goes but the front protrudes the cupboards side-by-side which means sticking a door on it looks silly.

No - airflow no concern. The wiring comes under the pelmet and into the cupboard next door where the drain and water also lives.

Washing machine I don't have integrated.

Fridge is similar sockets live on the floor to accommodate.