Flashed by Traffic Light Cam

[TW]Fox;17405659 said:
Why are you asking us for help if you already know it all?
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I don't know it all and don't pretend to. Just pointing out that you don't get a fine automatically for jumping a red light...
 
JackRegan said:
Nothing is ever that simple. Poor road markings, a faulty or incorrectly calibrated camera, ground loop malfunction, lighting out or being pushed through a junction by an emergency vehicle are factors that make it not that clear cut.
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Not really. Firstly you stop at the lights, the markings are a guide. You dont drive past the lights far enough for a camera to photograph the rear of your car, if you do that you are probably blocking the junction anyway!

Whether the camera was calibrated properly or not isnt relevent as he admits passing the red light.

The emergency vehicle thing is very clear cut - run a red to avoid a police car, you are commiting an offence and will receive a fine if a camera catches you and the emergency vehicle is not a defence. This is quite a high profile one as many, including myself, beleive it to be wrong and unfair but there are cases reported in the press of people being done.

Red light?

Stop.
 
Telescopi said:
How so? If you know cases which have been contested let us know for the benefit of all. I don't like the strong silent type :)
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Well not all traffic lights have cameras do they? Just pointing out his post was factually incorrect as he likes to do to others regularly.
 
Kenai said:
...apart from nearly taking out pedestrians with his jackknifing caravan? :p
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He may not have made the best of judgement calls at the point of emergency safety wise, upto that point he did everything by the book. I think in hindsight he'd have gone through rather than potentially harm people but it was a split second thing where a dumb automated system would have flagged him as guilty without being able to take the whole situation into account, with his livelyhood depending on having a license (which is clean) I can see why his immediate/first thought was to stop.
 
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R0B75 said:
Well not all traffic lights have cameras do they? Just pointing out his post was factually incorrect as he likes to do to others regularly.
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Thats probably the most ridiculous 'point' anyone has made on here recently. At least I try to have a point before I make it. You could use your ridiculous logic to say that you don't go to prison for armed robbery if you wanted :rolleyes:

Its pretty obvious what was meant.
 
[TW]Fox;17406068 said:
The emergency vehicle thing is very clear cut - run a red to avoid a police car, you are commiting an offence and will receive a fine if a camera catches you and the emergency vehicle is not a defence. This is quite a high profile one as many, including myself, beleive it to be wrong and unfair but there are cases reported in the press of people being done.

Red light?

Stop.
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This is another reason why red light cameras must go, seen it more than once where people have stopped at red lights and pressured by the police on emergency to move out the way and their only option is to move out into the junction (safely) or block the police car... if someones silly enough to be on enough points they'd lose their license and their job needs it thats a pretty rough deal.
 
[TW]Fox;17406093 said:
Thats probably the most ridiculous 'point' anyone has made on here recently. At least I try to have a point before I make it. You could use your ridiculous logic to say that you don't go to prison for armed robbery if you wanted :rolleyes:

Its pretty obvious what was meant.
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I know what you meant, I was just being facetious. :p
 
[TW]Fox;17406068 said:
Not really. Firstly you stop at the lights, the markings are a guide. You dont drive past the lights far enough for a camera to photograph the rear of your car, if you do that you are probably blocking the junction anyway!
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The line is one of the important factors in proving the offence. The camera you will find is situated some way behind the white line and red light, sufficiently enough so it can capture the red light and your number plate.

[TW]Fox;17406068 said:
Whether the camera was calibrated properly or not isnt relevent as he admits passing the red light.
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If the camera was not calibrated or it was proved the camera was not working correctly or it had not been checked at the required intervals provides some doubt as the the reliability of any evidence gained from it. Without the camera the prosecution may not be able to prove the car progressed past the white line, meaning the court could not be sure beyond reasonable doubt the offence was made out. There was a recently reported case whereby a traffic light camera was proved to be faulty and the force had to contact those prosecuted and another where the speed camera used was found not to be approved by the home office. There is a further case where the local council had not gained approval for the sighting of the camera and not issued a notice for the temporary speed reduction in that area.

[TW]Fox;17406068 said:
The emergency vehicle thing is very clear cut - run a red to avoid a police car, you are commiting an offence and will receive a fine if a camera catches you and the emergency vehicle is not a defence. This is quite a high profile one as many, including myself, beleive it to be wrong and unfair but there are cases reported in the press of people being done.
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An emergency vehicle approaching a junction should not use its emergency equipment if that junction is blocked as this would force the other motorists out and into the junction...police roadcraft...

Again it would be a matter for the court to decide if the police have caused you to commit the offence.

I do agree, the easiest thing is to stop before the white line and not to inch forward. But if you have any doubt, don't just take the cameras word for it, they have been found not to be 100%
 
Rroff said:
This is another reason why red light cameras must go, seen it more than once where people have stopped at red lights and pressured by the police on emergency to move out the way and their only option is to move out into the junction (safely) or block the police car... if someones silly enough to be on enough points they'd lose their license and their job needs it thats a pretty rough deal.
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I did not know this was the case.
Unlucky for any ambulances, fire engines or police cars who're behind me in these situations now, as I'll not be moving until the lights say I can...
Good times... :cool: :/
 
Or, radical suggestion, why not stop a few feet back from the line so you can move out the way if need be? That's what I do, I'm surprised nobody has had the common sense to suggest it yet. As someone said above, you're not lining up for a gp
 
iaind said:
Or, radical suggestion, why not stop a few feet back from the line so you can move out the way if need be? That's what I do, I'm surprised nobody has had the common sense to suggest it yet. As someone said above, you're not lining up for a gp
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True, most people round here seem to ensure their front wheels are on the line :/
 
Lethal` said:
True, most people round here seem to ensure their front wheels are on the line :/
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Which actually slows you down..... Far quicker if you stop a car length back and then start rolling towards the line when the light goes amber, then you won't cross it until it's green.
 
I was stopped at a red light at the front, two lanes of traffic and a central reservation (with a fence running along the middle of the road). An Ambulance came up behind me with its lights and sirens blazing and I had to move forward infront of the red light ( but no so much as to block the junction). There was no camera but if i had of get points/fined for that i would SERIOUSLY contested it.

So you all think i should have just waited :confused:
 
Emlyn_Dewar said:
I did not know this was the case.
Unlucky for any ambulances, fire engines or police cars who're behind me in these situations now, as I'll not be moving until the lights say I can...
Good times... :cool: :/
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I hope you're joking! :confused:

It wouldn't be unlucky for the ambulance, but it would be for the person who could be dying waiting for it to arrive.

Personally I'd be able to live with some points and a fine, whereas I wouldn't knowing I helped delay an ambulance and possibly lead to a death in an attempt to save myself £60.
 
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