Flexi Rail Ticket - Will you be returning?

Initial prices don't seem to give much of a discount, I guess perhaps they're being cautious - maybe they don't want to be hammered by a big loss of revenue if a load of people switch to 2 or 3 days a week.

nah man would I hell pay those prices to travel by train to work! not a chance.

You might not have much of a choice if you want to work in say London - have you seen the cost of parking in central London + congestion charge?

As far as most people's budgets are concerned houses with a short commute to central London tend to be small terraces with tiny gardens and no off-street parking.

One place I worked at in the city had some places in the underground parking garage which almost no one used but they weren't allocated, you could request one from reception on a short term basis but it's no good if you want to regularly commute - people would do it more because they were staying out late past their last train home etc... I guess if you had a motorbike or scooter then that would have been ideal as you'd not really need a space to park it in.

As a kid I worked in a place in Brum one summer where people drove in, underground carpark again, very secure, but the cars were crammed in there - you'd have to leave your keys with security as they'd fit two cars lengthways, bumper to bumper, in the long spaces.

Overall train is much easier, especially if you just have a short walk from the train station to your office/no tube to get on once you're in London.
 
This is a kick in the teeth for me. The peak carnet tickets are being withdrawn and the new tickets are just worse - more expensive and less flexible.
 
When you feel priced out of an actual thread...omg!
I cycle to and from work everyday. Still on a MTB as a road bike with the skinny tyres gives me the fear as I've never tried them.
 
Overall train is much easier, especially if you just have a short walk from the train station to your office/no tube to get on once you're in London.
I typically get a "source" to London Zone 1 to include any Tube, at considerable saving to PAYG.
 
Initial prices don't seem to give much of a discount, I guess perhaps they're being cautious - maybe they don't want to be hammered by a big loss of revenue if a load of people switch to 2 or 3 days a week.

Cautious - how so? It's all about protecting revenue and milking as much money from commuters as possible to pay for an otherwise overpriced and average at best service.
 
Cautious - how so? It's all about protecting revenue and milking as much money from commuters as possible to pay for an otherwise overpriced and average at best service.

I'm not sure what you're asking there? I'm referring to the rather small discount relative to regular season tickets.
 
I'm referring to the same thing. How is charging people 10% less for a significantly inferior service 'cautious'?

It's just protecting revenue rather than offering an genuine alternative for those who actually need it. For example, train ticket prices in general have long excluded part time workers from taking jobs because the costs to get to work means its unviable unless you have full time wages coming in, particularly new parents early in their careers. Things high rail prices combined with say having kids can effectively exclude you from large parts of the labour market.

This isn't just a London thing, the ticket prices into London are extortionate but wages tend to be a lot higher, the picture really isn't any better elsewhere.

As demonstrated in this thread, it's just a nonsense dressed up as being something good, I'm surprised there isn't more kick back about it in the media if I am honest. Its like none of them have checked what the actual discount is instead of just announcing they are now on sale as the BBC were today.
 
Has anybody noticed the price of their regular season ticket coming down? I buy a monthly ticket but I swear when I last checked the yearly about 18 months ago it was £6k, now it's £5600. A bit worrying as I thought a year on year reduction on commuting costs was one of the heralds of the apocalypse.
 
Initial prices don't seem to give much of a discount, I guess perhaps they're being cautious - maybe they don't want to be hammered by a big loss of revenue if a load of people switch to 2 or 3 days a week.
Have you forgotten the pandemic? They presumably have been hit by a huge loss in revenue as people went from 5 days to 0 days. It is odd that they aren't incentivising people back into the office.
 
The discounts are disappointing but very mixed based on route.
For me it brings the daily standard peak return ticket down by only about 12%. It's still much cheaper to simply travel off peak if you can and need to travel on average twice a week.

Using the new Flexi ticketing means for over 70% reduction in travel ability over an annual season, on my route it offers about 35% discount.

I think I am just going to travel off peak as it's obviously less busy and less delays typically anyway, let alone cheaper. I can now flex and do longer days meaning I could get away with only 6-7 days a month in the office still fulfilling requirements of "office time" set out by my place.
Off-peak 8 days a month is about 40% cheaper.
Off-peak 7 days goes up to about 50% cheaper.
Can also take holiday more flexibly and reduce costs further.

Or I buy a motor bike again.

I'll never pay 5k a year again for train travel hopefully.
 
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Although I no longer commute to the city I had a look at this today for the lolz. As I expected it's pretty mediocre:

3+ journeys a week - cheaper to get season ticket
1 day a week - cheaper to just buy day tickets

So the only scenario it works out potentially worth it is travelling 2 days a week, £5241.60 for 12 flexi tickets, versus £5688 for a season. HOWEVER, the season ticket has more going for it:
  • Can accommodate more than 8 days travel, good if I needed to be in London more than 8 days, or to use for leisure etc
  • Is a gold card, meaning you get discounts on other travel
  • Flexi tickets technically cover 8 days per 28 days, not per month. So it's not a case of just renewing it every month, you have to time it right, manipulate your working calendar / holiday plans etc to take advantage.
Finally, depending on travel time if you are only commuting a few days a month it's also worth considering whether you can get away with cheaper daily tickets like advance, travelling out of hours etc. So I'm actually going to the City later this week, and I bought 1st Class Advance tickets, this cost me a grand total of £32.10 and entitles me to sit in 1st Class away from the mouth breathers.

Don't forget hotels are cheap now as well. Travel up on a cheap ticket to arrive a bit later, made up by staying late in the office, bargain hotel, in the office crack of dawn, head back home on a cheap ticket in the afternoon. Or, if those office hours don't work for you, go for drinks after work with those colleagues you haven't seen in 18 months / ever, meaning you can then travel back on an off peak ticket. Lots of variants of this basically exploiting off peak travel and/or hotels to reduce your overall train ticket cost.
 
Although I no longer commute to the city I had a look at this today for the lolz. As I expected it's pretty mediocre:

3+ journeys a week - cheaper to get season ticket
1 day a week - cheaper to just buy day tickets

So the only scenario it works out potentially worth it is travelling 2 days a week, £5241.60 for 12 flexi tickets, versus £5688 for a season. HOWEVER, the season ticket has more going for it:
  • Can accommodate more than 8 days travel, good if I needed to be in London more than 8 days, or to use for leisure etc
  • Is a gold card, meaning you get discounts on other travel
  • Flexi tickets technically cover 8 days per 28 days, not per month. So it's not a case of just renewing it every month, you have to time it right, manipulate your working calendar / holiday plans etc to take advantage.
Finally, depending on travel time if you are only commuting a few days a month it's also worth considering whether you can get away with cheaper daily tickets like advance, travelling out of hours etc. So I'm actually going to the City later this week, and I bought 1st Class Advance tickets, this cost me a grand total of £32.10 and entitles me to sit in 1st Class away from the mouth breathers.

Don't forget hotels are cheap now as well. Travel up on a cheap ticket to arrive a bit later, made up by staying late in the office, bargain hotel, in the office crack of dawn, head back home on a cheap ticket in the afternoon. Or, if those office hours don't work for you, go for drinks after work with those colleagues you haven't seen in 18 months / ever, meaning you can then travel back on an off peak ticket. Lots of variants of this basically exploiting off peak travel and/or hotels to reduce your overall train ticket cost.

I hear you. It's actually the opposite of flexible in comparison to other ticketing options as it locks you in for that period.
We knew it would be mediocre though for most people.
I should be happy with 35% but we've all become used to not paying thousands a year and resent the idea of paying anything now for the poor service we get. People are going to want to maximize cost savings.
 
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12 flexi tickets is less than 8% cheaper than a gold card on my route. Hardly a massive saving, I tried to figure out if you could somehow get away with only buying 11 over the course of a year, but you probably need to be in the office more than 88 days on a 2 day a week arrangement, unless you somehow managed to get away with using your annual leave strategically on days you were in the office (I imagine most employers will restrict this i.e. you can't just keep booking off 2 days a week and say that's the two days you are in the office and WFH the other 3 days).
 
If the company could do that, do you not think they already would have though ?

Not necessarily and I’ll explain why. Many employers had a culture or presentee-ism. The pandemic has opened their eyes to what more enlightened employers already knew - that staff can be just as productive remotely for certain jobs. With this change in mindset of employers you might see a shift. I’ve always done this where skills, language spoken and time zone are all more important than precisely where you live. So my USA customers are serviced mainly out of Canada where wages are lower, our London customers from remote consultants all over the UK etc. It doesn’t work for every industry, but big city office based jobs are probably more susceptible.

Back on topic, 10% saving for me over an annual ticket with significant less flexibility and punitive “penalties” if I don’t do precisely 8 days in each 28 day period. I really can’t see this benefiting many unless the savings are more significant or the period of validity is extended to make them more flexible. In places abroad you can buy a “book” of X tickets at say 50% equivalent discount over a day ticket that remain valid for a year to use any time. A digital based equivalent would have been better IMO.
 
Used to make me laugh when I lived in London - tickets for typical commute runs on the train were often way more expensive than you could find with a bit of searching for say Edinburgh Waverley and there was a few people prosecuted for buying the long distance tickets then getting off early to save money over the cost of doing the shorter run as a commuter :s
 
Hello, just replying to this thread as it's fairly recent, I'm not a regular commuter, but have become one for the period up to Christmas and New year, temporary work.
I travel on Southeastern trains as I'm going from Tunbridge Wells to Rochester, wanted to buy a 7 day season ticket as I'm going to be weekly paid. Was told by the person at the ticket office that I had to register for The Key, Southeastern idea of an Oyster card (which I do have an old one for using when visiting family in Dartford , some London buses go there, and getting the underground in London.,) so that I could buy anything other than a daily single or return. I just wanted to pay them for a ticket for a few weeks not have my details registered with them unnecessarily.
Does the Key actually save money or is it just them being awkward for the sake of it?
I'm not someone who uses trains a lot so buying a long time in advance isn't something I tend to do .
 
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