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My first floor has crappy old chipboard flooring throughout, which having been manhandled for various plumbing and wiring changes, has certainly seen better days. In short, it's knackered and needs to go.

However, I also have the 'luxury' of a few stud walls where the floorboards currently go under the walls. And short of knocking the damn walls down, which isn't happening, I don't quite know what to do.

What is my best course of action here? Can the current boards be cut 'up' to the walls, braced/supported/something'd and then I can treat the 'open' space as new boards? Is that in the realms of someone who isn't all that good at DIY?

And what should I replace the crappy old chipboard with? New interlocking chipboard? Ply? Something else?
 
i had the exact same thing with the stud walls, turned out they just had a few nails per wall so wasn't too hard to get the old boards out from under them and replaced with 18mm tongue and groove ply sheets that slid under the walls and shimmed / packed out to support the wall again

you could cut them at the nearest joist or a few inch away from wall depending on which way the joist runs and leave them undisturbed and do the rest in ply

I will say you might wanna just fix the bad boards - i did the whole lot thinking it would be a lot better long term, all glued and screwed every few inch it is rock solid now and almost 100% squeak free but it did cost a lot
 
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Also its a pain getting the old boards up either have to rip them up breaking them apart or use a nail puller to take all the nails out and a multi tool or circular saw to cut the tongues - there is a risk of damaging pipes or wiring doing this
 
To be honest, I have not even looked at how the boards are affixed to the stud walls - something I need to do, clearly!

And in terms of condition, most of the boards are properly knackered and have already been taken up to re-route pipes, electrics, etc. Not going to be a massive job to lift the large majority of them and given the finish I want from the house, I'm okay with spending money to get it sorted.

You would go Ply over Chipboard then? And you'd go tongue and groove sheets as opposed to... er, not? Would you ever lay floorboards that weren't T&G? Asking for a friend... :D
 
Oh, forgot to say - plan is luxury carpet in the two bedrooms and hallway, something like Polyflor for the office. Bathroom is not being touched, yet. That's a job for next year.
 
ply is better than chipboard but costs more, probably a little over double the cost - would be the same effort to install - its still sheet flooring so will be harder to take up in future for repairs etc - could change to standard floorboards for easier access in future
 
That seems to be pretty much what I am looking at... so, in theory, I can slide each plank out and replace, as long as it is sufficiently shored/shimmed/packed/etc to hold the wall up?

Is this the job for someone who is mildly competent at DIY? What tools/equipment would I need in order to get things done?
 
And scene-setting, as you (and anyone else reading) has no idea of the situation, my house is currently a mostly empty shell, going through a complete refurb. New plumbing and electrics, skimmed surfaces throughout, etc.

I'm intending on living in it for a very long time, assuming I can actually get it all finished and avoid any more disasters from unreliable tradesmen.
 
Should be pretty DIY’able.

Tools wise you probably only “need” a saw and a hammer for nails.

What would be much better would be a cordless circular saw and an impact driver to screw them down. Probably a jigsaw for cutting around any pipes too.
 
This is an example of what I'm dealing with:

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Does that look like the sort of thing that has been talked about?
 
Is the issue taking it up at the corners where it's under the floor? Just use a multi tool to cut it out adjacent to the wall.

Then you can plywood the whole floor.
 
Also, the boards may not finish under the stud walling! They may go right into the other rooms! Have you checked on the other side to see where the join might be? Be lucky if it is under the stud otherwise best to cut the nails under the stud with a thin blade and you can then cut the boards either side of the stud and hopefully slide out. Not an easy job.
 
If you know where the joists are for the ones close to the wall, then replicate what they have done in above pic, and leave the small part of board that is going under the stud wall.
It does look on the above though that they may have missed the joist? So you may need to extend that joist out, with something like 2x2 or similar in order to give you a lip to work with, or cut the board that goes back under the wall a little more.

The problem with T&G floorboards (ie the old type) is they are more of a pain if you need to pull them. This can partly be got around by planning. So where would you need to lift? In those areas skip a bit of T&G, use some planned off planks, or remove the T&G and get some oversize and trim down. to fit your gap. This way you can T&G most of the room where you are highly unlikely to need to pull up, and keep potential access easy to do where you will probably need the access.

More boards creates more opportunity for creaks etc, but as with everything prep, and taking your time you can achieve a very good result.

If you havent got one get a cable/pipe detector and try to map them out first. Then take this as the probable locations, just be careful as you go. Always worth drawing them on top of the boards once you know where they run (just marker pens in blue red etc will do)
 
Is the issue taking it up at the corners where it's under the floor? Just use a multi tool to cut it out adjacent to the wall.
More about how to go about the job itself - before starting the thread, I assumed I would need to cut up to the walls and leave the current boards underneath them, then find some way of making sure they were secure and replacing all the other boards.

Is ply the way to go? Do you get T&G ply or just use boards?

Also, the boards may not finish under the stud walling! They may go right into the other rooms! Have you checked on the other side to see where the join might be? Be lucky if it is under the stud otherwise best to cut the nails under the stud with a thin blade and you can then cut the boards either side of the stud and hopefully slide out. Not an easy job.
Most (if not all) go underneath the walls.

Are the walls going to, well, stay up if I slide the boards out from underneath them, assuming that can even be done?

If you know where the joists are for the ones close to the wall, then replicate what they have done in above pic, and leave the small part of board that is going under the stud wall.
It does look on the above though that they may have missed the joist? So you may need to extend that joist out, with something like 2x2 or similar in order to give you a lip to work with, or cut the board that goes back under the wall a little more.
In the room that particular photo was taken in, the joists run left to right out from the wall.

In the hallway I was standing in, they go the opposite way. I'll get a floorplan up and some more pictures with joist direction/placement when I get a chance.

The problem with T&G floorboards (ie the old type) is they are more of a pain if you need to pull them. This can partly be got around by planning. So where would you need to lift? In those areas skip a bit of T&G, use some planned off planks, or remove the T&G and get some oversize and trim down. to fit your gap. This way you can T&G most of the room where you are highly unlikely to need to pull up, and keep potential access easy to do where you will probably need the access.
That's a sensible way of looking at it. Are you talking floorboards as in the dimensions of something like laminate, or big sheets like I have?

A lot of the current floor has been sliced and diced over the years, so the boards are smaller than they once were. A lot of the T&G has died in the process and, quite frankly, I want to do it once and do it right.

I can afford ply (someone else had a thread where they replaced all theirs with marine ply and did it all themselves... can't find the thread, but was in awe) but I just need to know what the right thing to do is. Leaving access for pipes and suchlike is doable and I like your idea of the coloured pens!
 
So I was really actually talking T&G pine boards, something like https://www.wickes.co.uk/Products/Building-Materials/Timber/Timber-Floorboards/c/1000206

The reason they use big sheets is they are cheaper and quicker to put down, far less cuts, wack a sheet down and nail gun it down.

They board the floor then put the stud walls up normally (after first fixes) hence why you have things like a sheet that on teh landing goes under a wall to another room. Its nice and quick and easy to bulid, a bloody nightmare later on.

If I was replacing mine completely, I would do what I suggested above using the type I posted abve, this is what you had when you went back around 40 years. The larges sheets came after as the next evolution on speed and cheaping out.

Not sure what the next evolution could be. I am sure they will manage to come up with something even more annoying and even cheaper ;)

The T&G is to help them sit tight and they give each other strength, spreading the load. If you go further back the boards were much thicker, they were not T&G, they didnt need to be, they were seriously strong in themselves. The boards in my 1890 house were probably 2 inches thick, about 8-10 inches wide (they varied). They weighted a bloody ton
 
Most (if not all) go underneath the walls.

Are the walls going to, well, stay up if I slide the boards out from underneath them, assuming that can even be done?
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Yes I'd assume if you pull it out that the wall is just plasterboard on the wall then skimmed. Or brick and thicker layer of plaster. It won't make a difference its just the order it was previously done.

As far as I'm aware ply is a better material (and screwing down rather than nailing facilitates easy removal). Can use SPAX branded screws.

I don't see much advantage for T&G? Other than possibly easier to manipulate /cut rather than big sheets of ply
 
What are peoples thoughts on insulation between joists? Something worth doing or overkill?

I've seen a couple of threads on here where people have stuffed Rockwool between their joists (something like this?) and I'm wondering whether I should bother or not.

More interested in sound proofing than insulation, but the latter would be a welcome bonus, no?
 
Noise is really what I'm looking to reduce. It's not like the house leaks sound, but my kitchen is underneath the master bedroom and my decks and other bits and pieces are underneath the study, so dampening any sound might be worth looking into while the floors are up.
 
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