Folding performance

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:26

rypt said:
Being slower in OpenCL does not mean having slower GPGPU performance though

You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what GPGPU means.

sjcf1 · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:30

rypt said:
Doesn't matter what you do the other 60% of the time, if you are not actually using the PC it should not be a consideration

If your wanting to fold on your card, or put it into a dedicated folding rig to get up the ranks on the folding stats pages and beat other teams it gets competitive, so to get to the top you need the best performing hardware etc.

For me, its not a consideration, as I don't do that much folding, depends what your priorities are, for example, I've got a mate who folds a lot, but wanted a DX11 GPU, so he bought a 5770, when a nVidia alternative would have been much better.

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:30

p0rks0da said:
You seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what GPGPU means.

Not really, the point is that OpenCL, just like CUDA, uses certain methods to do certain things. It does not mean that it uses a card to it's full ability though.
Much like game benchmarking does not show you the full power of a CPU as it only does certain things in a certain way.

The only objective way to compare GPUs and CPUs is via performing a test for each type of functionality that the CPU/GPU can offer and then comparing those.

sjcf1 said:
If your wanting to fold on your card, or put it into a dedicated folding rig to get up the ranks on the folding stats pages and beat other teams it gets competitive, so to get to the top you need the best performing hardware etc.

I know how folding works, hence why I said it's for epeen size.

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:36

rypt said:
Not really, the point is that OpenCL, just like CUDA, uses certain methods to do certain things. It does not mean that it uses a card to it's full ability though.
Much like game benchmarking does not show you the full power of a CPU as it only does certain things in a certain way.

The only objective way to compare GPUs and CPUs is via performing a test for each type of functionality that the CPU/GPU can offer and then comparing those.

Erm, so why do you take a single benchmark to be proof that ATI is better in 'GPGPU'?

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:37

p0rks0da said:
Erm, so why do you take a single benchmark to be proof that ATI is better in 'GPGPU'?

For the same reason people take a few gaming benches as proof that NV is better than ATi

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:42

rypt said:
For the same reason people take a few gaming benches as proof that NV is better than ATi

Great, so you are just as bad as them, but you can't even look at the topic of a thread before posting benchmarks from completely irrelevant software.

The OP was asking a simple question specifically about F@H

ejr22 · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:44

Don't worry about rypt. He is just trolling every thread, vomiting his Nvidia hatred onto his keyboard and mashing enter. Try ignore the poor boy.

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:49

p0rks0da said:
Great, so you are just as bad as them, but you can't even look at the topic of a thread before posting benchmarks from completely irrelevant software.

The OP was asking a simple question specifically about F@H

And I posted a bench about GPGPU, a technique F@H uses that showed that ATi was faster. There is nothing to say that were F@H ever improved down the line that it would not show results like that bench.

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:52

rypt said:
And I posted a bench about GPGPU, a technique F@H uses that showed that ATi was faster. There is nothing to say that were F@H ever improved down the line that it would not show results like that bench.

GPGPU is not a 'technique', this is exactly what i meant when you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are talking about.

I give up, troll away.

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:54

p0rks0da said:
GPGPU is not a 'technique', this is exactly what i meant when you have a fundamental misunderstanding of what you are talking about.

I give up, troll away.

GPGPU has different ways to do processing, and compilers for it will compile things in different ways (much like CPU compilers).
The methods for calculations that F@H uses (and the compiler combination) seem to suit one card more than another.

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:57

rypt said:
GPGPU has different ways to do processing, and compilers for it will compile things in different ways (much like CPU compilers).
The methods for calculations that F@H uses (and the compiler combination) seem to suit one card more than another.

So now you have come full circle and you admit that your benchmark has no relevance to this thread?

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 21:59

p0rks0da said:
So now you have come full circle and you admit that your benchmark has no relevance to this thread?

rypt said:
There is nothing to say that were F@H ever improved down the line that it would not show results like that bench.

Reading helps.

twitch · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:01

rypt said:
epeen size

LOL epeen...

Well don't know it's about epeen buy you seem to be a peen

lol

p0rks0da · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:01

rypt said:
Reading helps.

So does making sense, you come in posting a single completely OT bechmark claiming ATI 'beats Nvidia in GPGPU', now you have admitted that it means nothing.

Thanks for clearing it up

Mr Paul · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:46

I just don't get folding, never have, never will. Just imagine how much money it will be costing you running a 480 or even a 5870 at full load 24/7 :eek:

Just seems madness to me :confused:

Tyrokiller · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:53

Well one advantage is EPeen Paul and if there is ever a breakthrough that was aided by folding (i.e. parkinsons disease) you would be able to state you helped and feel better over doing so.

rypt · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:55

Tyrokiller said:
Well one advantage is EPeen Paul and if there is ever a breakthrough that was aided by folding (i.e. parkinsons disease) you would be able to state you helped and feel better over doing so.

But would you buy a GFX card specifically over F@H?

Mr Fujisawa · 28 Mar 2010 at 22:56

Mr Paul said:
I just don't get folding, never have, never will. Just imagine how much money it will be costing you running a 480 or even a 5870 at full load 24/7

Just seems madness to me

I have to agree here, the cost in electricity would be immense, way more than one would probably ever donate to a charity.

Biffa · 28 Mar 2010 at 23:11

rypt said:
But would you buy a GFX card specifically over F@H?

Maybe not specifically, but...

If you have to buy a gfx card anyway AND are an avid F@H type person then you may consider the type of gfx card you buy seeing as it really doesn't make much of a difference for gaming reasons. Currently the % increase of buying a Nvidia card over an Ati card for that particular application will then play a factor in your purchasing decision.

If you were interested another type of scientific application such as Milkyway@Home then you would be mad not to consider an ATi card as the application works much better on ati cards than nvidia cards.

Mr Paul · 28 Mar 2010 at 23:57

Tyrokiller said:
Well one advantage is EPeen Paul and if there is ever a breakthrough that was aided by folding (i.e. parkinsons disease) you would be able to state you helped and feel better over doing so.

Hmm I contribute to cancer research via standing order, too me that's a much better idea. But each to their own