For all you EU hating lot

Nix said:
That is true, and I do acknowledge what you're saying. It's just I do think we'd be worse off without the EU and there is the real possibility of trade relations worsening. In the end, I guess it depends on whether the EU can afford to turn their noses up at the UK if such an eventually happened.

Also, it's not just a matter of economics. Politically, a move away from Europe would send a very powerful and negative signal.

Alas, it's all speculation and we wont know unless it ever happens.
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I would personally prefer to stay within the EU, as I recognise the benefits of being within a trading bloc. However, the EU in its current form has gone way beyond that, unfortunately. If I were in power I would attempt to renegotiate our treaty so that it was purely economic, and not political. In other words we would regain control of our immigration policy and laws, but retain the benefits of the trading bloc and single market. But if the other countries refused to play ball then as a last resort I would pull us out.
 
The EU sucks. Wow, that's one good thing.

What about...

- The attempted removal of "pint" glasses from the UK.
- iTunes songs the same price throughout Europe??????
- Car & Car insurance prices the same throughout Europe??????
- The fact it makes the UK more open than Victoria Givens after she set the 300 man (or was it 200) record, to immigration.
 
You can't deport 3,000 criminals, EU tells Britain

Up to 3,000 foreign criminals will be released from prison on to Britain's streets without any attempt to deport them, Government papers have revealed.

A note sent to probation staff says as few as 250 convicts from European countries will face even preliminary deportation proceedings every year.

It pins the blame on an EU directive which rules that committing a serious crime is no longer sufficient grounds for removal.

Neither is the Government's desire to deter other foreign nationals from committing a crime in this country.

As a result, the vast bulk of the estimated 3,300 European criminals released from British jails each year - including burglars, thieves and muggers - will simply walk free.

The revelation undermines the promise made by Tony Blair to tackle the problem in the wake of the foreign prisoner scandal last year.

He said: "It is now time that anybody who is convicted of an imprisonable offence and who is a foreign national is deported."

The Conservatives said that the revelation was a further embarrassment for Home Secretary John Reid.

Shadow Home Secretary David Davis said: "Yet again we see that the public will be put at risk as a direct result of John Reid's failure.

"He spun he had a deal to remove these offenders but the rhetoric has not matched the action. John Reid was brought in to deal with the foreign prisoner crisis yet one year on as he quits office we see he has totally failed."

Overseas criminals convicted of crimes warranting a jail sentence of a year or more can normally be kicked out of Britain when they are released from prison - on the grounds that their presence is "not conducive to the public good".

But Probation Circular 11/2007, sent out this week and seen by the Daily Mail, said an EU directive has made the criteria far more stringent for citizens of the European Economic Area.

The Home Office can only remove EEA nationals who are highly likely to re-offend. They must also pose a "present, genuine and sufficiently serious threat" to society.

The new rules apply to citizens of countries such as Germany, Poland, Romania, Norway, Liechtenstein and Switzerland. They also cover those born in countries such as Africa or the Middle East who have been given passports by other EU countries.
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=458040&in_page_id=1770

More 'benefits' of being in the EU :rolleyes:
 
Van_Dammesque said:
I despair, I'd like to hear from the pro-EU people about this massive intrusion of how we rule our land, we have lost sovereignty!
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I'd like to hear how this is a good thing, too. Five hours and I'm still waiting :)
 
rayer said:
but soon our english women will start thinking they have a right to have hairy armpits as well !!!!
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LOL

The European women are far sexier.

(And you get used to the hairs ;) )
 
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