Ford PATS programming

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Does anyone know if there are any third party tools that can do PATS programming on later model Fords (MK2 Focus for example)?

I need a key programming but refuse to pay Ford £80 for the 5 minutes it'll take them.
 
[TW]Fox;17663792 said:
Surely this is the dealers responsibility, you only picked the car up yesterday! I thought you were best mates with the dealer, so much so that they'll give you £1200 off a car but not sort a key for it :confused:

No, I'm adding an extra key myself, as I wanted an extra flip key (I just kept one of the ST keys).

MikeHiow you seriously spout some amount of drivel on these here forums


oh and you'll find its a 30 minute job not 5 :)

How is my OP drivel? And how does it take 30 minutes? When I had a new key programmed for the ST they didn't have the car for more than 20 minutes in total, so by the time they told the tech the car was here, paperwork, cut the key, did the job and then signed it off, I cannot see it took them more than five minutes?

I mean seriously, how long does it take to plug the car into their IDS machine and click a few buttons?
 
Its not a case of that you have to get in codes from the Etis machine too.
It is not a 5 minute job, not using the ford machines its not anyway.

From just speaking to my sister about it (who works in Ford service, albeit the wrong side of the water), she claims its a case of punching a code from the ecu in, and they get a return code to put back to the ECU.

What's the problem with keeping one of the keys, it went to a Ford dealer and they had no problems with me supplying only one key. I also took all of the good tyres off and swapped the brand new wheel on there for the old, buckled one. If I had sold it privately, then I'd get your concerns - but **** dealers.
 
LOL, not like Motors to take the moral highground.

There are many people here that have openly told of times they've sold cars to dealers that they wouldn't dream of selling to a private buyer.

Fortunately, it isn't going to the dealer that I actually dealt with, so my conscience is clear - at least with them. If they were happy to accept it with one key, why is it ****ing them over?

Which is what i just said, you need to get an incode from the Etis machine you cant just do it with Ids.
Maybe you should get your sister to do it if she knows so much

And it takes half hour to walk to a computer, click a few links, put a number in and get an instant response? LOL.
 
So? They aren't buying my car. Another dealer that I've never even met, and that has done me no favours has bought it.

I don't posess the key to somebody else's car, though. The remote has already been reprogrammed to my car and the key blade has been discarded.

I don't see what is so "epic lolz" about it? If I sell a car and kept the mats for example, no one would care. It was my car, and my key and thus it is up to me what I decide to sell with the car.
 
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It ends like this because people some how think I'm some kind of an easy target, when in reality I've done absolutely nothing wrong.
 
[TW]Fox;17664413 said:
You kept the key to a car when you sold it!

Would you move out of a house and keep a set of keys to the door?!

If I still had access to the car, I could see your point. But I do not. The fob is a reusable/transferrable item, and that is exactly what I've done.
 
oh and you'll find its a 30 minute job not 5 :) i speak from experience being an ex ford employee.

Was going to say the same thing, It used to be a 5 minute job on the old fords but now everything has to be done using IDS.
I bet your local auto lock smiths can code keys for half the price.

Where did i say it took half an hour??
READ what i wrote, i said it takes longer than 5 minutes.
Surely if your so family friendly with your dealer they wont charge you the £80 an hour.

Like I stated earlier, they are on the wrong side of the water to help me out.
 
That's still closer to my estimation than his :D

Can someone tell me exactly what is wrong with keeping a keyfob from MY car before selling it, which cannot open my old car, and when the dealer is happy to accept it with one key?
 
No, I never had the key to somebody else's car. The key blade was replaced with a blank ready to be cut the moment I got the new car.

If I'd lost the key, no one would care.
 
[TW]Fox;17664579 said:
Can we avoid a 6 page argument on why yet again you've posted something logically impossible (Unless you are going to now develop the story in your usual way and say you changed the key over days beforehand) and you just admit it?

Where is the key blade now? Why is everything you do so ridiculous?

Keeping the key when you sell a car on, just.. lol

I bought a blank blade off ebay weeks before I finally changed the car, I changed the blades the morning I changed the car so I could take it to be cut as soon as I had the new car.

Is that the best you can do "just lol", there is nothing wrong with what I've done and you know it - you're just looking for something to pick on. No one has managed to tell me exactly what is wrong with what I've done yet?

I just dont know why you wouldnt buy a key for 30 quid, pay ford 80 to code it and job done.

Why would I buy something I already have?
 
What, you think I didn't think about this until the morning I collected the car?

See, you've fallen for the bait, as I'll quite happily show you a picture of the old key base missing its blade and the new base already cut when I get home :)
 
LOL, so when proof is offered that you're all wrong to be criticising, you want to close it. Epic.


IMG_0696 by mikehiow, on Flickr

Please could we leave this open, just incase someone can answer the question I originally asked? (Which wasn't about the morals of keeping a keyfob that doesn't operate the car when selling said car).
 
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My new car has two keys, but I fancied a flip key - which is more practical for me.

You still haven't told me what exactly is wrong with what I've done? It is no different to cashing in the tax once it's on the forecourt, or keeping my floor mats?
 
What's wrong with keeping a key anyway, I have bought a car before from a dealer with only one key, so someone must have kept it.

A bit ***** if you're going to reuse it as they aren't worth a lot, but if the buyer was happy, then what's the problem? The buyer could have seen one key and walked off.

This.

*****, maybe? Worth three pages of off-topic grilling? No.
 
Ive bought cars with one key before, its no big deal - these things get lost, broken etc etc. But if I knew the previous owner still had one, I'd run a mile.

Covering it up because you think your intentions are sound is no excuse. You may think "**** the dealer", but you realise someone is going to buy that car from the dealer, right?

Who cares? That is the dealers problem, no one is forcing anyone to buy the car from them?

And how does it affect them anyway? Other than the fact there is only one key, which they'll obviously be happy with if they buy the car?


[TW]Fox;17665035 said:
Hands up everyone here who wouldnt be very nervous if they went to buy a car or house and the seller said 'There is only one key, the previous owner kept the other'?

Thats the point, that is.

Why is that my problem? The car has been sold, I've been paid my money.

So now its changed from "You still have a key for a car that isn't yours" to "the buyer might be nervous". LOL, if you're going to bitch at least be consistent like you used to and just drop from conversation when you're proven wrong.
 
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