Foreign owners want to end Premier League relegation...

6thElement said:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/15336398.stm

No, just no.

I often explain to American sports fans how sucky their franchise model and zero relegation leagues are. I don't want this to happen at all to footie in the UK :(
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At least in the US franchise model you get some form of unpredictability though, the Arizona Cardinals who in all their time have done nothing still got to a superbowl, which would be like Wolves nearly winning the Premiership, can't say that's going to happen here is it ?

The draft system which massively favours the poor teams, allowing them to pick up some of the best prospective players is a great idea.

Ending relegation from the premier league would destroy football in this country, as it would kill the grass roots football that is incredibly important, as we don't have like the US the college system that ensures an enormous amount of players coming through the ranks, the Premiership could not get enough people coming through on it's own to sustain themselves. There are a huge amount of the best young players in the country that were initialy picked up by small local teams, then the Prem teams find them when they are 13-16, but were it not for the small teams these players wouldn't get found.

The greed that is taking over football makes me sad, and 5-10 years ago this would have actually made me angry, but i can't say i care anymore, and unless it's a game involving Bristol City, i'd honest to god rather watch the NFL than the permiership.
 
The US system works because the entire league is concentrated in the US ..there are few if any world leagues that offer 10% of the nfl, nhl etc..

Unless the football draft was pan European or pan basically the world leagues then it couldn't work in just the UK. similarly as you say the college system keeps them playing till they are 21-22..without this you lose that cradle for them playing
 
The thing is though the Prem teams would be able to find enough players through their worldwide scouting networks, they no longer need to rely on poaching talent from other clubs.

Basically the Premiership has 500 players but prior to this ban on relegation presumably they will be cutting it down a bit to 16/18 teams like UEFA want, so 400-450 players. Half of those players will be superstars bought in from wherever meaning we'd probably need at most 250 extra players to fill the void, these clubs will find them somewhere. The draw of the Premiership will be sufficient, and I don't think it would completely kill grass roots football, I mean realistically how many lower league clubs in England think they have a genuine chance of playing in the Premiership in the short-medium term without spending huge amounts of money, probably no more than 50 I'd imagine. These clubs will still be around still training up kids, if anything one could make an argument to suggest that you'd get even MORE young players brought through in the lower leagues because these clubs will have to resort to training up youngsters rather than flashing their cash around in the lower league, parachute payments, rich benefactors trying to bankroll a run into the Prem.

Not suggesting I think we should get rid of relegation but I certainly wouldn't think the Premiership clubs would have any trouble whatsoever in filling a squad of 25 players, with the guarenteed income they can just wave wads of notes at people and bring them over.
 
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"Several foreign-owned Premier League clubs want to scrap relegation, according to League Managers Association (LMA) chief Richard Bevan."

notice the story has zero details of these clubs though ..............
 
No but lets face it, the EPL has changed to so much I wouldn't be surprised in future if stupid rules come in to pander these mega rich foreign owners.
 
I think it is extremely unlikely, I'm not aware of any major European league that has such a rule.
If a European superleague was created then that might be a different story.

I could maybe see some sort of playoff being introduced though, whereby teams at the bottom of the Prem play against teams from the top of the Championship, that might be a nice little moneyspinner for the governing bodies.
 
Spud21 said:
At least in the US franchise model you get some form of unpredictability though, the Arizona Cardinals who in all their time have done nothing still got to a superbowl, which would be like Wolves nearly winning the Premiership, can't say that's going to happen here is it ?
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Well considering Blackburn won the EPL under a British owner and are now routed bottom of the EPL with a foreign owner. ;)
 
Getting rid of relegation would end my interest in Premiership football, I already think money has poisoned the game and this would be the final blow.
 
Adrianr said:
This proposal wouldnt be spearheaded by a certain Venkys by any chance?
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Of the foreign owned clubs, it's only them, Sunderland and QPR that would benefit from this. You can bet your life that if there was a vote on this that a lot of british owned clubs would be voting in favour too though.

Not sure whether to pay any attention to this though. What's this got to do with the LMA?
 
lol what a ridiculous idea, so basically if i bought the worst team in the EPL for lets say £100 million. i could sell all of its players to recoup a lot of that £100 million back, then field 11 pub team players every week and offer them zero wages but a chance to play against the likes of drogba and gerrard, etc. then just take my many millions in advertising/sponsorship/tv money and stick it straight into my bank account. it doesnt matter if the team loses every game 20-0 because within 10 years i will have made over £200 million profit easy. i dont need to fear losing because i will never get relegated.
 
The American model of building a franchise, draft picks and a salary cap is superb, but it just wouldn't work with football over here or any where in Europe. Like you could do it similar to the MLS over here but as shown by the MLS the league standard would be one of the worst in Europe and the advertising revenue that is generated from the PL and rest of the football league is just to big for anything to ever change. On a massive scale like reforming the whole system it'll never happen, but you never know a salary cap could still happen. This non relegation idea is just laughable and as said the Venkeys are probably behind it.
 
from now on their should be a rule that only players that have played in the EPL for a minimum of 5 years are allowed to vote on rule changes. club owners are the last people who should be allowed to bring in rule changes.
 
If this ever comes about I will just wholly follow the Championship or a foreign league instead, relegation battles are often more entertaining than what is happening at the top of the table... it seems like just an excuse for said owners to skimp on investing in the team without facing any repercussions.
 
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Wouldn't/Couldn't work - it leave the lower leagues in a complete mess. So many of the clubs survive on the parachute payments the receive when getting relegated from the EPL that a number of clubs throughout the league would collapse.

The whole attraction of a promotion/relegation system is the fear and emotion it evokes throughout the whole season, and this would effectively be wiped out! Also, seeing as the relegation battle is generally a lot more interesting than the chase for the title, I think it would end a lot of interest in the league.

Worse idea than that 39th game!
 
BaZ87 said:
Of the foreign owned clubs, it's only them, Sunderland and QPR that would benefit from this. You can bet your life that if there was a vote on this that a lot of british owned clubs would be voting in favour too though.
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Yeah, I thought this when I read it earlier. The "foreign owners" comment strikes me as some kind of xenophobic cheap shot. Let's not forget that Phil Gartside (English) proposed that ridiculous dual-PL-no-relegation league just last year. I'd bet the likes of him and Dave Whelan would be far more in favour of no relegation than Mansour or Abramovic. I mean, what would the latter two care when they can always spend their way out of trouble?

Not sure whether to pay any attention to this though. What's this got to do with the LMA?
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Partly some anti-foreigner tub-thumping, and partly an attempt to get some public ridicule in to kill it dead before it gets any serious steam (like the 39th game nonsense), I reckon. ;)
 
I don't really understand how it would work or how you'd decide who would get to be in this exclusive league. Do Swansea have more right than say Leeds to be in it, because they are currently? What about Wigan over Nottingham Forest or more feasibly West Ham. How about teams that have achieved a top 4 finish in the PL's life time? Forest and Leeds have both done this and now find themselves outside the top flight.

Can't see it working, it's just an idea so the foreign investors can protect themeselves.

In truth though it is headed this way anyway with the introduction of FFP (Financial Fair Play) in the leagues below. This means you can't spend more than your turnover on wages etc, it's a soft wage cap. Naturally relegated teams from the Premier League are going to have a huge advantage.
 
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