Forum "Disputes"

RoboCod · 5 Oct 2015 at 22:59

Uther said:
I don't think it needs to be public TBH. Imagine the arguments...

I'm all for it. Just like a decent episode of Jeremy Kyle.

Monkeynut · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:02

Redz said:
Strawman argument, i know because my Dad refutes them for a living.

Zenduri · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:03

Tephnos said:
Perhaps, but getting a second strike on your MM record and suspended for two weeks over accidentally price dropping a thread before the 24hour limit by a few hours was utterly ridiculous.

ThundyCat said:
2 weeks wow! Just checked your user notes and you only got 5 days.

Had a recent run in similar to this and if you speak to the Mod in question with a sensible and polite manner and actually talk things through with them you'll probably find they are actually quite reasonable.

I feel foul of the rules and after talking it through with a MOD i feel we both came to an amicable resolution. So considering this is turning into a bit of a mod bashing thread i will counter it and will say the mods are reasonable if you are!

Tephnos · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:05

Burnsy2023 said:
I find that members who actually read and understand the rules invest time and effort in following the rules tend to also deal with other members with the same diligence and effort - and that's good for the mods and the membership.

Pretty anecdotal there. Mistakes happen.

I must ask though if you have a personal grudge with me based on the fact you quoted something and then provided an irrelevant (to the quote itself) personal statement about the general rules (where my post was a complaint about the ridiculous punishment given to a break that was just a few hours off 24 hours. Thundycat himself confirmed there is no exact rule about 24 hour cooloffs as well, so the lack of leeway as confirmed by someone else who got infracted for missing it by a few minutes merely confuses me. Why is it so set in stone with an iron fist if there isn't a specific rule on it? [Maybe it is in there now, I'll need to check. By why the contradicting comment?]) and then the last part of your post about diligence with members. This isn't because we butted heads in the EU migrants thread is it? No hard feelings?

Sorry, but I figured I would ask. Your post felt a little off, as if you needed to interject your opinion that because I had made mistakes, it correlated with the fact we butted heads.

I could be pulling stuff out of my arse but it really felt weird, apologies in advance if I'm mistaken.

HybridX said:
Had a recent run in similar to this and if you speak to the Mod in question with a sensible and polite manner and actually talk things through with them you'll probably find they are actually quite reasonable.

I feel foul of the rules and after talking it through with a MOD i feel we both came to an amicable resolution. So considering this is turning into a bit of a mod bashing thread i will counter it and will say the mods are reasonable if you are!

Fair point, I didn't say anything except silently took the infraction, I didn't feel like I'd really get anywhere if I complained. I may just make a thread in that board though, and see where it gets me.

Will Gill · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:09

HybridX said:
Had a recent run in similar to this and if you speak to the Mod in question with a sensible and polite manner and actually talk things through with them you'll probably find they are actually quite reasonable.

I feel foul of the rules and after talking it through with a MOD i feel we both came to an amicable resolution. So considering this is turning into a bit of a mod bashing thread i will counter it and will say the mods are reasonable if you are!

I'm tempted to ban you for your almost kind and supportive posting style, clearly you are a spy using some weird and wonderful reverse psychology...

Nodiggidy123 · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:10

Is the new subforum somewhere to enquire about non moderation?

There are some posts in particular which are directed at people which could be construed as rude and offensive or perhaps a personal insult who do not receive a infraction. Where is the line drawn as to what is acceptable and what is not?

Caged · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:11

Will Gill said:
yep exactly that

Is that the online equivalent of care in the community?

And I think an OcUK version of a leper's colony could be hilarious, as long as people don't take posting on the internet seriously.

Zenduri · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:12

Tephnos said:
Fair point, I didn't say anything except silently took the infraction, I didn't feel like I'd really get anywhere if I complained.

The thing is I didn't complain, i just questioned it with a sensible head, I felt the suspension was a bit much for my rule break. Whilst the 2nd strike was a 5 day ban, the rules also stated the Mod could invoke an infraction instead of a strike at their discretion.

The Mod was well within the rules but after discussing it was changed to an infraction for 5 points with the warning that this was a one time thing and the next rule break in MM would be the suspension. The mod was tolerant of me and patient and we discussed it and i can assume were then both happy with the outcome as he could have told me to get stuffed and it stand but he didn't.

I did find it annoying though that once suspended i couldn't even get into the MM rules thread to check the rules i had fell foul of so having a subsection to discuss it (ideally with the rules in one place for all subsections) would be good.

UberTiger · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:12

Nice to see the admins giving something like this a shot

estebanrey said:
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Burnsy2023 said:
I doubt that's possible with the forum software we have.

Que my daily suggestion to upgrade to XF

Seriously though, you can shrink it with a bit of css applied to the div.

PHP:

    width: 100px;
    white-space: nowrap;
    overflow: hidden;
    text-overflow: ellipsis;

The problem is Vbulletin doesn't make that easy as it's not got any unique ID. Too knackered right now to figure out the right way to target it through the last tbody in the table which has a unique ID. I'm sure a CSS guru could sort it.

You end up with it looking a bit tidier like this

Burnsy2023 said:
I really don't think there is the need for a whole subforum for quite a niche subject - just like there's no need for a quadcopter subforum, youtube subforum or boating subforum.

I don't care for vaping either way, but it does seem some of the fastest growing brand new dedicated forums over the last couple of years have been in the vaping vertical. So you might be surprised.

Zenduri · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:13

Will Gill said:
I'm tempted to ban you for your almost kind and supportive posting style, clearly you are a spy using some weird and wonderful reverse psychology...

See above

Will Gill · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:20

Nodiggidy123 said:
Is the new subforum somewhere to enquire about non moderation?

There are some posts in particular which are directed at people which could be construed as rude and offensive or perhaps a personal insult who do not receive a infraction. Where is the line drawn as to what is acceptable and what is not?

Sounds like a perfect scenario to use the RTM button, but yes if you feel your 'reports' aren't being handled correctly and you wished to discuss this with the mod team please feel free to post in the new forum

james.miller · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:21

sounds great, rock on mods :cool:

Nodiggidy123 · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:30

Will Gill said:
Sounds like a perfect scenario to use the RTM button, but yes if you feel your 'reports' aren't being handled correctly and you wished to discuss this with the mod team please feel free to post in the new forum

Would it not be easier to draw the line for all to see rather than risk a potential tidle wave of rtm's that the mod team then has to deal with?

Tephnos · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:33

HybridX said:
The thing is I didn't complain, i just questioned it with a sensible head, I felt the suspension was a bit much for my rule break. Whilst the 2nd strike was a 5 day ban, the rules also stated the Mod could invoke an infraction instead of a strike at their discretion.

The Mod was well within the rules but after discussing it was changed to an infraction for 5 points with the warning that this was a one time thing and the next rule break in MM would be the suspension. The mod was tolerant of me and patient and we discussed it and i can assume were then both happy with the outcome as he could have told me to get stuffed and it stand but he didn't.

I did find it annoying though that once suspended i couldn't even get into the MM rules thread to check the rules i had fell foul of so having a subsection to discuss it (ideally with the rules in one place for all subsections) would be good.

Complain was a bit of a strong word to use there but yes, I get what you mean.

spoffle · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:36

Nodiggidy123 said:
Is the new subforum somewhere to enquire about non moderation?

There are some posts in particular which are directed at people which could be construed as rude and offensive or perhaps a personal insult who do not receive a infraction. Where is the line drawn as to what is acceptable and what is not?

People shouldn't receive an infraction just because something could be considered rude or offensive.

That's quite quickly going down the route of nannying.

Nodiggidy123 · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:40

spoffle said:
People shouldn't receive an infraction just because something could be considered rude or offensive.

That's quite quickly going down the route of nannying.

Which is why I feel a line should be drawn as to what is OK and what isn't as stated in my last post.☺

Will Gill · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:42

Nodiggidy123 said:
Would it not be easier to draw the line for all to see rather than risk a potential tidle wave of rtm's that the mod team then has to deal with?

We deal with plenty of RTMs, not all result in any action being taken but we welcome the communities support & diligence

Having too many would be a real first world problem, an almost 'self moderating forum' would be a lovely place to be :cool:

Dis86 · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:43

spoffle said:
People shouldn't receive an infraction just because something could be considered rude or offensive.

That's quite quickly going down the route of nannying.

Oh oh but he said something in a disparaging tone sir!

Yeah...pretty sure the mods are busy enough without having to be defenders of the just and the chaste because someone might hurt their feelings.

Although saying that I got a holiday for saying someone was acting stupidly...so I guess we already have that

pickle1972 · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:44

How do people become mods :confused:

is it like a job that they interview for or are they the special chosen ones coz they are witty and intelligent and charismatic?
Do they get paid? Do they work from home or do they have posh offices? Do they wear a suit?

spoffle · 5 Oct 2015 at 23:46

Nodiggidy123 said:
Which is why I feel a line should be drawn as to what is OK and what isn't as stated in my last post.☺

How would you propose a line be drawn, when what is considered offensive or insulting varies person to person?

That's exactly why there's a rule about personal attacks, but even then that is sometimes down to individual interpretation.

Dis86 said:
Oh oh but he said something in a disparaging tone sir!

Yeah...pretty sure the mods are busy enough without having to be defenders of the just and the chaste because someone might hurt their feelings.

Exactly