Forza 4

Would take some time to write out a proper comparison list of the two games, but there are lots of places where each game is superior to the other.

Physics isn't a clear cut thing, neither game is completely superior to the other in this area.

The same can be said for online play, single player, AI, customisation, track selection, car selection and graphics.

For example, GT offers paints that Forza users can only dream of, as well as the ability to paint wheels pure colours (most importantly pure white - a feature missing from Forza for many years now and still not added in F4 despite a huge amount of requests). Despite this, F4 obviously has the superior overall customisation options, since there is no livery editor in GT5 and only limited body kit and wheel options.

Both games are great, neither game is as good as they should be and I would love both of them to mix their strengths together and be released on the PC as one ultimate subscription based online racing game, because I'd be completely hooked to that and so would literally every other racing game fan around.
 
How do you get Jeremy clarkson in Autovista ? I have only had him for the initial game intro and nothing else. In autovista its just the generic announcer...
 
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How do you get Jeremy clarkson in Autovista ? I have only had him for the initial game intro and nothing else. In autovista its just the generic announcer...
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You need to look for some kind of Top Gear sign,usually they in front of the car,white spots,try different ones,you will find them
Have good laugh at Clarkson comments about cars,even after so many years he has that "something" lol
 
So the speed wheel is good, yeah? I had the 360 wheel in the past, which was good, but I can't justify the expense or the space it takes up. The speed wheel looks good in terms of size and cost, so I'm tempted. The lack of feedback concerns me, particularly if the vibration isn't too strong. I would be keen to pick one up because a controller just isn't quite sensitive enough for me - it's harder to balance it through the turns and I tend to just go lock, release, lock, release through the turns. What's the dead zone like? Is it easy to keep it pointed in a straight line? Would you use it with normal or simulation steering?
 
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I hear you on the lock-release-lock-release, that's all my thumbs can manage. With that in mind - bought the wireless wheel this morning. Took an hour to get used to, before I could make it around the very familiar alpine track without crashing, including setting up deadzones. I found it worked best with the steering, accel and braking zones all set to min/max, 0/100. Full lock is about 85degrees of rotation, I'd guess, or maybe juts under 0.5 radians, if that's how you roll :p

Lack of feedback is a bit annoying, but not massively. There's two lights atop the two prongs, which light up quite a bit - think these act as a form of feedback.

Pretty easy to keep in a straight line, even with 0 inside deadzone, but after the 90 mins playing with it I'm wondering if a non-floating wheel would be better. Arms keep dropping a bit, and the wheel is perhaps a tad small for my hands - fingers keep moving to awkward positions, and resetting them without sending the car all over the track is pretty tricky.

I'm in the middle of doing some time trials right now, joypad versus wheel, to see if it really is quicker.

Oh, and - with a 'pad, the only way I can drive is from close chase plane, but that was impossible with the wheel. Best view I've found with the wheel is in-cockpit, so you can see the in-game wheel. I find being able to see that helps me keep things level.

tl;dr Wheel's pretty good, definitely more accurate through long turns, but lack of a solid base may cause too much arm ache over long periods. Yet to find out if I'm actually quicker with it.
 
P.S. Now I'm used to steering with a wheel, it's making the justification for a Fanatec wheel that little bit easier, which is kinda worrying. Those things are crazy expensive. Would love to have a play with one now though.

Oh, and, only tried it with Simulation steering. Don't fancy trying to second guess whatever dampers Turn10 have put in there for Normal mode.
 
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I have just got one of the Speedwheel things and in my opinion its horrid. I cant get the hang of it, it feels like you are playing a kinnect game but holding something.
I have just plugged in my official wheel and its superb miles better with a fixed wheel. Just the space and annoyance of getting it out all the time...
 
Vonhelmet, here's a quick, poor vid or me doing a not so quick poor lap using the Speed Wheel, might give you an idea as to purchasing or not....

 
Update!
Was chasing Goayse100's ghost around Mugello in Rivals mode in the 458 for half an hour with the wheel (post-getting-used-to-it) and the best I managed was 2.5 seconds off his time. Maybe his time was amazing, and it wasn't the wheel to blame? Nope (chuck testa) as I went on to easily beat his ghost on my third lap back with the 'pad.

So it looks like my verdict is: it's good fun, definitely feels awesome to drive using a real object, but it's just a bit too awkward having no base to it. Going to give it another run out, just to be sure, but looks like GAME will be having this back pretty soon.

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Turning it back on, it's been mis-identified as a full wheel with pedals. Derp. It's also highlighted just how annoying it is, after pad familiarity. Novelty worn off. Might even take it back to GAME now...
 
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Update!
Was chasing Goayse100's ghost around Mugello in Rivals mode in the 458 for half an hour with the wheel (post-getting-used-to-it) and the best I managed was 2.5 seconds off his time. Maybe his time was amazing, and it wasn't the wheel to blame? Nope (chuck testa) as I went on to easily beat his ghost on my third lap back with the 'pad.
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I too have been chasing Goates100s Mugello 458 time, it is a very respectable time and took me 5-6laps with a decent wheel and pedal setup to beat it. Id highly recommend getting the old MS wireless wheel and pedals, rather than use the pad, i found after years of using the pad i was initially slower with the wheel, but smoother and more consistent.

***Damn it... just looking around at the price the old MS official wireless setup goes for, i gave mine away after i got my Fanatec. :(
 
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I too have been chasing Goates100s Mugello 458 time, it is a very respectable time and took me 5-6laps with a decent wheel and pedal setup to beat it. Id highly recommend getting the old MS wireless wheel and pedals, rather than use the pad, i found after years of using the pad i was initially slower with the wheel, but smoother and more consistent.

***Damn it... just looking around at the price the old MS official wireless setup goes for, i gave mine away after i got my Fanatec. :(
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So my pad skills just beat a Fanatec wheel?! Blimey! :P (assuming you're DReeder, the only other OcUKer above me on that challenge)

I definitely am going to consider a planted wheel now, as I love the feel of it in general, just the floating nature of this one is a bit of a pain.
 
How do I find the pictures I've uploaded?

Is forzamotorsport.net not working right or am I doing it wrong? Can't find them anywhere.
 
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I too have been chasing Goates100s Mugello 458 time, it is a very respectable time and took me 5-6laps with a decent wheel and pedal setup to beat it. Id highly recommend getting the old MS wireless wheel and pedals, rather than use the pad, i found after years of using the pad i was initially slower with the wheel, but smoother and more consistent.

***Damn it... just looking around at the price the old MS official wireless setup goes for, i gave mine away after i got my Fanatec. :(
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*goes to turn Xbox back on* :D

Rivals is amazingly good fun. Can't remember the gamer tag of who it was but someone has a beastly time with the corvette on Road America that i just can't beat. Can't get the traction out of the corners like they seem to get.

Wish my Thrustmaster 430 worked on the 360 cause balancing the throttle with the controller with no Traction control on is hard.
 
andi said:
How do I find the pictures I've uploaded?

Is forzamotorsport.net not working right or am I doing it wrong? Can't find them anywhere.
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http://forzamotorsport.net/en-us/Profile.aspx

And sign in with your xbox live login, the site is has been laggy since Forza's release, surely they should be able to keep up with the bandwidth it's doing my head in.

This game is FANTASTIC, I can't stop playing the ******* thing.. so addictive.

My super S class cossie:

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*goes to turn Xbox back on* :D

Rivals is amazingly good fun. Can't remember the gamer tag of who it was but someone has a beastly time with the corvette on Road America that i just can't beat. Can't get the traction out of the corners like they seem to get.
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Your exit of the last corner is just epic, I've been 6/10th up going into that last corner and you've gone past me. :(

I might be on about Road Atlanta, i get mixed up between those two. :confused:
 
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