Poll: Fox Hunting

Do you support proposed amendments or repeal of the Hunting Act?


  • Total voters
    528
Well done SNP for doing what is right. This isn't politics, it's pure cruelty, a blood sport the privileged revel in. Seeing David Cameron whining and name calling is nothing but a brief satisfying moment that will fade into the years of agony he is laying down upon the countries most vulnerable. Worlds apart.

The SNP have strong majority in Scotland (and have done for years) and this law is in place there - this IS about politics else they would have applied this law in Scotland.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-shelved-by-tories-in-face-of-snp-opposition

The SNP said it was now looking at toughening up Scotland’s foxhunting rules to bring it into line with England and Wales.
 
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The SNP have strong majority in Scotland (and have done for years) and this law is in place there - this IS about politics else they would have applied this law in Scotland.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...e-shelved-by-tories-in-face-of-snp-opposition

The SNP have plans to make the bring the law in Scotland into line with the English. It was Labour and the Lib Dems that changed the fox hunting law originally in Scotland.

Both the Foxes of the UK and the SNP are going to come out on top after this proposal. Foxes for obvious reasons and the SNP have shown they can wield power in the right circumstances.

As for the SNP for no longer sticking to their self imposed policy of not voting on English only matters. Blame your unionist MP's for voting against the Scotland bill which all but 1 MP from Scotland voted for. The unionists didn't even listen to the debates. They waited for the vote. Trooped in and voted against it. They then proceeded to let out a rapturous roar of glee when the bill was defeated.
 
The SNP have plans to make the bring the law in Scotland into line with the English. It was Labour and the Lib Dems that changed the fox hunting law originally in Scotland.

They have been in power for years, they clearly only care about the political willy waving rather than the law itself.
 
I think they’ve shown the polar opposite. They used the power for a petty, personal squabble. As far as I’m concerned they have brought the house into disrepute.

How?

A) They didn't actually vote against it because the vote was cancelled
B) Under current rules they are free to vote on the matter if it did happen
 
Whereas 20 odd people on horseback with 40 plus hounds vs one fox (who as you go on to say is probably old and lame) is fair?



That's OK then. Next time a pensioner is stabbed dead, I'll be waiting for your comment "He was old and lame anyway".

Nice cherry picking. Clearly you only see what you want to see.
I recounted my experience. Not my opinion.
All you seem to be able to provide is your opinion, which isn't up to much.



Yep, oh I agree it is.

I didn't appreciate being woken up by that stupid horn on a Saturday morning, they also once blocked the entire road outside my parents house when I was trying to reverse my Impreza out of the drive, a quick burst of the throttle and the horses soon moved away, I could just tell they didnt give a crap though, no apology nothing.

We also had all the dogs steaming through our garden a couple of times, until my Dad had "words" with one of the hunt organizers.

So yea, im not a fan. And that's before we even get onto the actual stupid tradition itself and the fact that kids are almost certainly indoctrinated into hunting like a bloody religion as well I find pretty grim.

Revving your motor around horses, regardless of what the humans riding them might be doing, is an ******* thing to do. Disliking fox hunting on moral grounds, then brapping your exhaust at horses because you are slightly inconvenienced is just a little hypocritical. It sounds like you're one of those drivers who roars past ordinary horse riders on the road rather than wait and give them some room?

And, no, kids are not indoctrinated into it like some hokey religion.

I don't mean to lump you with estebanrey, but this is why I asked if people had any real experience of hunting; not just exercising their outrage or inconvenience - but to actually know enough about it to form a viewpoint not entirely based on an emotion or hearsay.

I get why some people don't like it, and I also get why some people do. I also see that no sensible discussion can take place about either viewpoint when one side has a position entirely dominated by emotion that makes them all shouty and angry and making facile comparisons with animals and old people, like the two bear any semblance of parity.

Of course there are those who will say there is no discussion to be had in the first place. I'm more of a 'have a chat about it' kind of guy as there's no progress of any sort to be had when one person stubbornly refuses to exchange anything but insults or cheap rhetoric. And that goes for both sides of this particular issue.
 
For me it's a very simple issue of morals and ethics.
I can justify hunting for food.
There's no moral or ethical questions around running over an animal as it's not a conscious decision to kill.
I can justify culling if I'm convinced it's nessesary, in the case of foxes, im not, although I'm not nessesarily against a farmer shooting a fox that's posing an immediate danger to livestock.
I'm very much against hunting with horses and hounds as it's ridiculously inefficient, moraly dubious, killing for fun under the shakey justification that you are killing a pest is utterly disgusting.
 
For me it's a very simple issue of morals and ethics.
I can justify hunting for food.
There's no moral or ethical questions around running over an animal as it's not a conscious decision to kill.
I can justify culling if I'm convinced it's nessesary, in the case of foxes, im not, although I'm not nessesarily against a farmer shooting a fox that's posing an immediate danger to livestock.
I'm very much against hunting with horses and hounds as it's ridiculously inefficient, moraly dubious, killing for fun under the shakey justification that you are killing a pest is utterly disgusting.

The problem is the fox hunting ban doesn't stop foxes being killed, and the reports before the ban said as much.

The real question is whether 10 foxes should be killed or 10 foxes should be killed in a way other people enjoy.

I'm largely indifferent to the ban, apart from the poor justification and the reliance on shaky evidence that underpins it. If you want to ban killing in a fun way, say so, but don't pretend the foxes are any less dead.
 
I hate all hunters with a passion, usually people with severe personality disorders who simply enjoy killing for the fun of it.

Nobody can convince me that killing any animal for fun is a thing a normal person would do.

This.

You have to be an evil **** to take pleasure in taking life.
 
I once bombed it past a bunch of them riding along the road when I had my Focus ST with a loud popping exhaust. They don't like that :D
 
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