Fractal Design

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Received my Fractal R4 today and overall very pleased with it although I did have a 'quality' issue with it. When I unboxed it the USB 3 ports were sticking up out of the case, after removing the front panel I found that the USB ports were glued in and that the glue had broken. Everything else about the case seems good. With the fans set to medium my 2500K @ 4.5GHz running prime 95 gets to about 61 deg.
 
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It would be nice to hear an official word from Overclockers. Not something made on a forum that you can't always expect to be official.
 
Guessing the R2 is going to be released next week sometime?
Here's hoping, got everything read, new desk pad, new keyboard, AF140 for the extra front slot and everything!
 
I received a Silverstone case today and the quality is not a patch on my fractal. In fact I will be sending it back and sticking with my midi although I'm still tempted by an R2 even though my R1 has no issues.
 

HAHA - that is so funny and such a lie!

The UK distrubitor is a company called EntaTech (they are based in Telford). We buy cases from them still in the UK. Corsair cases for example ae all purchased via EntaTech.

Fractal - what are you doing? I hate lies!

I will quote an email between myself and Fractal.

Hi Andrew, Lee

Hope all is well. Seems a few comments have been cropping up on forums that make reference to this on your forum made by one of your staff. Keen to understand why this was put as we have checked records and see no real issue with any returns or QC on products supplied to OCUK

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23379036&postcount=7

Can you comment on this and show us the returns and issues you are referring to ?

Regards
Graham Dark Regional Business Developer
Tel: +44 (0) *** 6063 77 Email: ****************@fractal-design.com
MSN: ************@hotmail.co.uk Web: www.fractal-design.com

Hi Graham.

This comes from a lot of cases that were damaged in shipping to customers. They would not have been returned via the normal route, as all damage in transit is claimed for via our couriers (and as a result the items become their property upon claim payment). The damages we experienced were far higher than that of any other case manufacturer we have.

I can only assume poor packaging is the main reason, but to be back up the evidence, a fair few forum users have posted saying they have received damaged unit from other sources (not OcUK also).

Regards
Lee Bryan
Assistant Purchasing Manager
Overclockers UK

Just to follow up with the comments from customers, with similar issues with other resellers who stock Fractal too.

See the posts here.

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23391392&postcount=17

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23462864&postcount=21

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23476458&postcount=22

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23477945&postcount=23

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23478113&postcount=24

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23702849&postcount=26

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23719035&postcount=27

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showpost.php?p=23976366&postcount=33

This just backs up our evidence that Fractal customers are experiencing poor quality products from Fractal.

It really is a shame, because I think that if the quality was there, then the design of the products which is really good would bring the business back. But sustained business cannot continue with such poor items. Customers claiming they have to get through 4 units before receiving a pristine unit is unacceptable 25% hit rate is not good in that instance.

Regards
Lee Bryan
Assistant Purchasing Manager
Overclockers UK

Hi Lee

Thanks for coming back, would have been good to see the actual numbers you had and what actual damage. But as you point out it was in your shipping with your courier so not down to build quality as we do not see this ‘high’ number from any other customers around the world.

We also check forums for such comments and have not seen mass remarks, obviously there are always the odd one that does get through the system.

Regards
Graham

Graham.

I truly believe the issue is not purely our courier, we don’t see anywhere near the amount of damage from any other case brand. I can only assume the problem lies at the point of packing from the factory; either with poor QC or packaging which is insufficient for the products. We have had customers who claim the boxes were pristine etc but scratched and damaged when taken out the box.

Regards
Lee Bryan
Assistant Purchasing Manager
Overclockers UK

OK thanks Lee

Regards
Graham


I'm the case buyer and product manager for OcUK. Caseking have certainly NOT put any limitations into place regarding products that I cannot buy. The buyers at OcUK have full decision making ability regarding product line ups. I'm frankly really annoyed with Fractals comments on that image, if Fractal have any real issue with OcUK I suggest they take it up with OcUK and do not fabricate lies to try to dust over the QC issues.

Fractal I supported you from the start when you first came to market, we helped create the demand - there is a massive thread on own forum discussing the cases, the discussion was started by myself. I am personally targetted on sales and to be frank high returns rate are taken into consideration as it has a cost to the business when a return/replacement is needed, this affects the business in terms of profit and on a personal level affects my performance figures/data. I dont want a brand with higher than normal returns to taint my figures. That is pure and simply the one and only reason we do not stock the Fractal brand.
 
Nice to hear it, I always doubted OcUK would do such a thing, with such a thing such as your reputation on the line, bit of a big move from Fractal to say that, all its done is change my idea of them now, I may pursue them for a top case part that I broke.
 
Seems that Fractal Design have spammed this dribble all over the Internet. Haha, really has made my night!
 
Well they certainly don't respond to support emails within 48 hours. Still waiting.
 
I would assume the 48hours in just Monday to Friday. I have never said that Fractal offer poor after care support; just that the QC and packaging needs to improve. Give them some slack regarding your email to their support department.

If they resolve issues after they supply damaged/faulty cases then at least that is a start. I would consider re-listing the products if I knew they were addressing the problem. It's in the hands of Fractal now.

Here is a quote from a thread over on another forum about the same issue.

i'm qualified to throw my spanner in here, having just received a new r2 xl today.

the packaging is excellent. two big foamy supports at each end that wedge the case perfectly into a tough box. the box has had what appears to be a little mishap in transit, with an L-shaped cut on one side (like the type of rip that always happens when i snag my kecks on barbed wire). however, even if the three stooges delivered this, they'd have a hard time breaking it. the only way i could see this becoming damaged in transit is if someone booted it from the side (with enough force to split the tough box and travel far enough to hit the case, which is a few inches back), where there is no foam protection, or if it was dropped from a decent height...and it'd take a strong bugger indeed to lift it high enough for that to happen. it's pretty heavy and awkward to lift, and i managed to smack my elbow on the wall when carrying it up to the command centre, which is a testament to its said awkwardness.

the only area of concern i can see is on the front door of the case. it arrives with a film sheath to protect it. good idea, as that bit is shiny plastic, and it would rub up against the packing foam and become soiled without it. however, there are a couple of minor (but potentially nasty) scratches in this film. luckily it's only the film, and not the door. there's no way i can see how that could be associated with the courier...it's just not possible to do without penetrating the box and the packing foam, which is intact in that area. so these little scratches must have occurred pre-courier. whether they're from the manufacturer or re-seller, i don't know, but the mind boggles how someone would be so uncareful with such a fine looking piece of engineering.

These are the kind of problems OcUK experienced, the problem is 9 times out of ten customers would rather OcUK swap it out and claim it as damaged in transit than wait 2-3 weeks for a replacement part to arrive. It was just becoming costly for us.
 
Interesting thread. My R3 arrived in pristine condition although the box had an almighty dent in the corner and had clearly been dropped or hit with some force. The build quality of the case itself is top notch with quality fans, hard drive cages etc and i've only ever heard good things about their customer support. Bit cheeky that on Fractal's part, post on another forum...not good.
 
Of course not every case will be damaged. When they aint then the products are grest, but the percentage was too high for my liking.
 
Quick response to the guys saying that their fractal case is fine.

obviously our issues with the brand do not span every last case the brand ship. the issues experienced by ourselves is a percentage of the sales.

This is a major factor that has to be taken into account. whilst fractal support may be good, you have to remember that 99% of customers who get a damaged item dont go to the manufacturer, they come to the reseller.

this means that OCUK had to take the brunt of it and not the brand themselves.

I spoke to fractal in germany at Cebit and they had nothing bad to say to us. they were all fully aware of our reasoning behind our decision.

as AceModder said, the decision to drop fractal cases and accessories was entirely based on cost to the company and there was no other agenda.
 
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