You need the tool specially created by Nvidia to be able to detect such things im afraid.
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Frame Rating: AMD Improves CrossFire with Prototype Driver
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You need the tool specially created by Nvidia to be able to detect such things im afraid.
AMD single-GPU frame pacing fixed; crossfire fix expected in ~90 days
AMD single-GPU frame pacing fixed; crossfire fix expected in ~90 days
Today the @AMDRadeon twitter account hosted a Q&A session, and of course the frame pacing issue came up:
@AMDRadeon - We're anticipating a beta release in the June/July timeframe. I should note that single-GPU pacing is already fixed. ^RH
Internally, AMD are conflicted on the best way to solve the issue - after all, the driver is doing what the game engine is requesting, with regards to timing of present calls. Placing an additional latency into the game engine to smooth the animation rate could be construed as adversely affecting the original artists vision of play, and may have adverse effects on competitive players.
AMD's response shows they are listening to press and fan feedback on what's expected from them, even if it goes against something previously espoused as untouchable - don't mess with the game experience.
As AMD APU's and GPU's become the defacto game development platform, hopefully we can expect to see AMD's developer relations teams working to get smoother gameplay on AMD hardware out of the box and inside the game engine, instead of patched in after the fact.
Source
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid34000651
https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/329642500451078144
Can't wait to see what xfire users here make of this driver. This will be of much more interest as everyone asked here seems to be in agreement that things feel and look fine as they are at the moment. The bit in the bold is part that i wouldn't want if things are already smooth. However if stutter is a problem in a specific game then this will be a welcome addition. Either way i suppose its nice to have the option to choose which one you want.
AMD single-GPU frame pacing fixed; crossfire fix expected in ~90 days
Today the @AMDRadeon twitter account hosted a Q&A session, and of course the frame pacing issue came up:
@AMDRadeon - We're anticipating a beta release in the June/July timeframe. I should note that single-GPU pacing is already fixed. ^RH
Internally, AMD are conflicted on the best way to solve the issue - after all, the driver is doing what the game engine is requesting, with regards to timing of present calls. Placing an additional latency into the game engine to smooth the animation rate could be construed as adversely affecting the original artists vision of play, and may have adverse effects on competitive players.
AMD's response shows they are listening to press and fan feedback on what's expected from them, even if it goes against something previously espoused as untouchable - don't mess with the game experience.
As AMD APU's and GPU's become the defacto game development platform, hopefully we can expect to see AMD's developer relations teams working to get smoother gameplay on AMD hardware out of the box and inside the game engine, instead of patched in after the fact.
Source
http://www.rage3d.com/index.php?cat=75#newsid34000651
https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/329642500451078144
Can't wait to see what xfire users here make of this driver. This will be of much more interest as everyone asked here seems to be in agreement that things feel and look fine as they are at the moment. The bit in the bold is part that i wouldn't want if things are already smooth. However if stutter is a problem in a specific game then this will be a welcome addition. Either way i suppose its nice to have the option to choose which one you want.
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already fixed, where...? in the new release?in my opinion is not "already" completely fixed...if the approach to the issue there has never been.
in a way, they're also blaming the game developers? maybe right in some cases, but I don't see any problem if someone fixes the frame time...if there is stuttering, there is...so they could create an interface on per game basis, a game profile...anyway i see the videos by pcper and there are many new games, not only one or two...always a developer fault? crytek, ubisoft, ea, dice & co. ? anyone?
again, don't understand how to ruin the experience if the frame latency is fixed...better 60fps to 55 drop or 60 to 59 or a steady (if vsync on at 60hz) 60...58,...and so on? or if vsync off, try to limit or completely remove any excessive frame drop?
really hopefully...for every game??? i think that's very difficult...this is not a joint work, it's enough to follow guidelines, which it means that the frame time has to be good since the beginning...so the developer can test & debug under the best smooth conditions...
completely agree
Latency has not really changed for me on single gpu even after this supposed fix. Its always been excellent, its just been improved so it now sits just behind a titan is all. These sort of changes can't really be felt though, how can you improve on already smooth?
I didn't see anything about them blaming developers. I agree with what they say, adding latency to certain games is not what i would want personally playing twitch shooters. This is what they mean when they say it could hamper the experience.
If the game in question is not smooth then i can see it being a nice benefit and definitely an option which the user should have. Either way should not be forced in my opinion and having the option to pick from a increased latency or a faster response time is a good thing.
If you have latency issues with a single gpu then i would look closer to home for the fix to your problem.
Should be sometime this month hopefully. I wonder if they will bring it in around the E3 announcement.
A video can only tell you so much. The best feel is using the setup yourself, then you get to see what its really like.
So have AMD actually fixed this issue, or just made it so that its not as broken as it was
Its really only an issue which affects a small group of games. It can also be fixed (in 99% of cases) by ticking one box in RadeonPro.
I disagree. As you are aware, a lot of guys said they don't see it but I could clearly see it in the video of Skyrim when it was running at full speed. When it was slowed down, users were saying "Oh, I can see it there", so it is down to the individual and the quality they are happy with I guess.
Not that it matters and hopefully these will be out soon and that will be another plus for AMD
If its something you cannot notice, feel or see without slowing it down then there is no issue for me. I don't play games in slow motion.
You don't Roff, even just by changing the Flip Que Size to 1 eliminates any form of micro stutter in the majority of games (not all, but most). Now ive got crossfire i can see this myself. I don't have to use vsync or a fps cap to get perfectly smooth rendering. This was just a tip i used to give people before i tried crossfire myself on the Tahiti range of cards. If you tried it yourself you would see.
Yes well its lucky that in all the games i own using vsync or capping fps is not required to get 100% smooth gameplay. Most don't even need the flip queue size changed. The only game i know that requires a fps limit to get smooth, or reasonably smooth is farcry 3 and we all know how that runs on both sides. Its important tell Roff this as he's of the impression that the only way to get smooth performance is using vsync or an fps limiter and that's just not the case at all.
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I'm not talking about runt frames, i have no way to detect that. I'm talking about perfectly smooth crossfire gaming, which is what im experiencing. I know microstutter and am sensitive to how it feels but im sorry Roff its just not present in the majority of games i tried. Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, Sleeping Dogs, Tomb Raider, Dirt Showdown, Hitman, Bioshock the list goes on. Farcry 3 is the only game which is causing me major problems on that front.
I think you're wasting your time with him. No matter how many people tell him he won't listen.
No i don't think anyone is doing that, crossfire is far from perfect. But to be honest, it works pretty damn well.
You are not the only person on the forum that has access to different hardware you know.
When you are of the opinion that Nvidias superior all round driver fallacy is still intact in regards despite another gpu killing driver and blatant driver issues regarding stutter in general with the 6 series, nothing is going to change your reasoning I imagine.
You can lead a horse to water tommy, but you can't make it drink. Roff looks thirsty, but what can you do?