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D.P. said:
He is an alt right sympathizer though.
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Evidence for this? He says of himeself that the "alt-right" hate him, and vice versa.

Lots of people on "your side" have called him "alt-right" in this thread. None have yet provided a single shred of evidence... beyond linking to rationalwiki :p
 
FoxEye said:
Evidence for this? He says of himeself that the "alt-right" hate him, and vice versa.

Lots of people on "your side" have called him "alt-right" in this thread. None have yet provided a single shred of evidence... beyond linking to rationalwiki :p
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It's a common theme now where people like to slap a label on someone they know very little about, other than a quick google search.
 
FoxEye said:
Did you just cite rationalwiki as an unbiased/ truthful source? You did?

Let me play your game for a second (for giggles).

Here is what UrbanDictionary (lol) says about RationalWiki:

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=RationalWiki





The point I'm making is that UrbanDictionary is about as trustworthy as rationalwiki :p
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I merely googled for information, I wasn't trying to prove any points. I don't have a dog in this fight and haven't called him anything other than a Moron (because he was part of Gamergate)

I read most of what Rational Wiki says and they did seem to present both sides - i.e. he isn't a racist and isn't alt right:

Benjamin has an interesting relationship with the alt-right. He personally does not identify as alt-right[154] and has mocked and criticised them on Twitter.[155] He has tried to provoke his alt-right followers into unfollowing and blocking him by tweeting them with interracial gay pornography.[note 9][156][157] He has opposed racist viewpoints espoused by the alt-right such as their discouragement of "race mixing", their use of "scientific racism" and their promotion of racial segregation.[158] He has also mocked the idea of white genocide[159][160] and does not agree with the alt-right narrative that a white genocide is occurring.[161] Additionally, Benjamin's own grandfather is black,[162][163] so he would be unlikely to believe or endorse racist views that could potentially impact his own family. Due to his grandfather, some in the alt-right do not consider Benjamin "racially pure"[164] and have labeled him with the obvious, cringeworthy insults expected from the alt-right.[165]

However, despite having no apparent intention to do so, he appears to be helping the alt-right more than he is hurting them. For example, Andrew Anglin of The Daily Stormer said he did not feel it was necessary to oppose Benjamin since "on some level he is leading people in our direction (as we are the obvious conclusion to reactionary thought)."[166] Similarly, Richard Spencer believes that people like Benjamin can be "great entry points" to the alt-right.[167] An example of this happened when Benjamin joined a hangout with self-identified alt-righters, and one of them thanked Benjamin for "putting me on the path that got me here."[168] He has also helped the alt-right by inviting figures such as Millennial Woes onto a livestream, thereby giving him free publicity.[169] Benjamin has also legitimised some of the alt-right's rhetoric such as the belief that Cultural Marxism is real and a threat to modern society.[170] While some in the alt-right are completely hostile to him,[165] others essentially see him as someone who acts as a gateway to their ideology.

After the violence at the August 2017 Unite the Right rally in Charlottesville, Benjamin released a video in which he attempted to both denounce the alt-right but also legitimise their point of view. Benjamin said he despises three quarters of the attendees at the rally[171] but still maintained that the alt-right deserve to have their "problems" considered.[172][note 10] While Benjamin has claimed to not believe in the white genocide conspiracy theory,[161] he said that the demographic shifts in America seemed to be "part of some plan" by the Democratic Party.[173][174] This is a statement which, at the very least, enables those in the alt-right. Benjamin also emphasised that he believes there is a significant amount of anti-white hatred in the United States.[175]

In August of 2017, Benjamin released a video called "Nazis are Bad", where he criticized Nazis and Neo-Nazi ideology. In 48 hours it received over 10,000 comments, with many of Benjamin's viewers taking offense at his statements and attempting to defend Nazism, White Nationalism, and/or deny the Holocaust. Many comments focused on either "the Jew book" he was reading from (Ayn Rand's "The Ominous Parrallels"), or calling Benjamin himself a Jew/Jewish shill.[176] This prompted him to release a follow-up video two days later, "Answering Nazi Comments" (which reached 6,600 comments in just six hours, most in the same vein as the first video's) in which Benjamin questioned and mocked the Nazi commenters.[177]
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Ayahuasca said:
Not at all, but it's not going to go the way it did above every time is it when these guys are using goggles, pepper spray and whatever else. There are other videos available where it's gone the other way and responding to them with violence at an event has seen people injured/hurt. The long-term solution to groups like this isn't trying to smack it out of them.
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Depends how hard you're smacking them! :D

But you're right. We shouldn't have to resort to violence, but if violence is the only language that some people can understand then unfortunately that is where it will lead to.

For now this kind of thing is isolated in universities. If they can't get a grip of it then eventually students will avoid those universities that have a reputation for allowing thuggish elements to exist on campus.
 
@VincentHanna A quick glance at an (obviously) biased source does not constitute a good basis to surmise his views. That's all I'm saying.

Copy/pasting this here, and indeed using it as an attack vector on another member, is really quite lazy.

I don't claim to know anything about him, but I won't accept rationalwiki as a good source to form an opinion. Nor will I give any credence to people attempting to categorise him as "alt-right" without presenting any credible evidence whatsoever.

With a lot of posters here there is an obvious agenda at play.

e: He does sound like a moron tho. Perhaps not quite the right word. He does sound like a dick.
 
FoxEye said:
e: He does sound like a moron tho. Perhaps not quite the right word. He does sound like a dick.
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Can I ask what you find so objectionable about him? I've followed his work for a little while, and he's not that bad. He spends most of his time in his videos criticising SJWs, and the rest of it talking about classical liberalism. My biggest criticism is he has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the failings of the right, so ends up focusing most of his attention on the shenanigans of the left. For this, antifa label him a fascist and an alt-right sympathiser, and certain news publishers run with it.

As for Antifa, they drive me crazy. They call anyone they don't like a fascist, and their tactics are the very definition of counter-productive. Firstly by behaving like fascists themselves, secondly by raising the profile of their targets (ie the Streisand Effect).
 
You'd have thought they have got this by now. It did Milo a huge favour by stopping his speech at UC Berkeley.

This is the thing about free speech. If you don't agree with someone's viewpoints, you are also free to tell them why they are wrong. They're even invited for QA sessions for the most part so it's clear they simply don't have a coherent response or counter argument to give.
 
SlyReaper said:
Can I ask what you find so objectionable about him? I've followed his work for a little while, and he's not that bad. He spends most of his time in his videos criticising SJWs, and the rest of it talking about classical liberalism. My biggest criticism is he has a bit of a blind spot when it comes to the failings of the right, so ends up focusing most of his attention on the shenanigans of the left. For this, antifa label him a fascist and an alt-right sympathiser, and certain news publishers run with it.

As for Antifa, they drive me crazy. They call anyone they don't like a fascist, and their tactics are the very definition of counter-productive. Firstly by behaving like fascists themselves, secondly by raising the profile of their targets (ie the Streisand Effect).
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Realise I'm making a snap judgement based on only seeing one video and hearing reports of things he's done. He does seem incredibly smug and self-satisfied in that video; a bit self-aggrandising. His language is fairly juvenile at times in his response. Other things like posting gay interracial porn on his Twitter account give me an overall impression that he's more interested in self-publicity than being a serious speaker.

In short, my "dick sense" is tingling pretty hard (takes one to know one!) but I'm not in a position to do a full psychological profile be any means :p
 
FoxEye said:
Realise I'm making a snap judgement based on only seeing one video and hearing reports of things he's done. He does seem incredibly smug and self-satisfied in that video; a bit self-aggrandising. His language is fairly juvenile at times in his response. Other things like posting gay interracial porn on his Twitter account give me an overall impression that he's more interested in self-publicity than being a serious speaker.

In short, my "dick sense" is tingling pretty hard (takes one to know one!) but I'm not in a position to do a full psychological profile be any means :p
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Fair. I strongly dislike Antifa and their ilk, so I'm probably more prepared to overlook the shortcomings of those who oppose them than I otherwise would be.
 
FoxEye said:
Evidence for this? He says of himeself that the "alt-right" hate him, and vice versa.

Lots of people on "your side" have called him "alt-right" in this thread. None have yet provided a single shred of evidence... beyond linking to rationalwiki :p
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What eh says is designed to fool his weak minded followers. I have no side, this whole having a side thing is just ridiculous childish nonsense.
The alt-right absoltue do not hate him, he has a large following from the alt-right, which is why he is an alt-right sympathizer.


SlyReaper said:
Incorrect. Please try again.
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dowie said:
in what way?
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https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2017/02/youtube-stars-defence-of-pewdiepie-is-garbage/

Carl Benjamin supported the alt-right racists Nazi Pewdiepie.

https://www.salon.com/2017/02/15/ho...emitism-claims-because-of-his-youtube-videos/
"He is experiencing exactly the same problem that the rest of us are," said popular alt-right sympathizer Sargon of Akkad i
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https://www.dailydot.com/upstream/youtube-alt-right-richard-spencer/
Benjamin’s videos also focus on attacking favorite alt-right targets like (again) feminism, Islam, Black Lives Matter, and the overall notion of straight white male privilege. All of this is done in the deliberately provocative, anti-PC tone that is generally characteristic of alt-right rhetoric. Because Benjamin has talked with many of the alt-rightists who constitute his fan base
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Note I said alt-right sympathizer, not that he is alt-right. His arguments stem from the same failed alt-right logic, covering the same topics, and argued in the same way. Because of this he has a large alt-right following, even when he has on occasion spoken out against the alt-right.

And this thread is proof enough. OCUK's alt-right are all out in force defending him.



the guy is a moron and I feel sorry for anyone suckered in by his nonsense.
 
I honestly don't think you know what the alt-right is. The alt-right is a racist anti-Semitic white supremacist group. Sargon was sharing a stage with a Jewish guy and his talk was full of students from all kinds of ethnic backgrounds. Does that not strike you as strange for an alt-right sympathiser?

Go and watch Sargons latest video, he states clear as he can be that he is not alt-right and completely disapproves of them. Yes he has spoken to alt-right figures but only to tell them that they are completely wrong in their views. Speaking to someone to tell them they are wrong does not make you a sympathiser.

I just don't think you want to see the truth , because it's a lot harder to reason with. He is against identity politics and socialism. If your telling me that must mean he is on a slippery slope to fascism, I just don't agree.
 
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