French woman SA'd 92 times by 72 men

dave28 said:
I think perhaps in the UK it is not all that rare for young women to go out to raves / nightclubs / pubs, go back to a mans house and be given more drink / drugs until passed out and then the man or several men takes advantage of the situation.
There were certainly many known cases local to me of that happening and I am in a very low population and low crime area supposedly.
There must be loads of cases going on in Cities like London and Manchester on the weekend.
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I used to go to raves all the time in my 20s and early 30s in London. I can't say I saw anything to untoward myself, but certainly heard some stories. Although the music I went to wasn't so mainstream, it was a lot harder drum and bass and Dutch hardcore, where you'd generally get a lot nicer crowds and tend to see the same faces.

One of my friends that is female told me once, she used to get groped all the time walking through crowds at clubs and it was just normal to her and didn't really bother her too much. That did really **** me off because doing something like that wouldn't even cross my mind, so just goes to show how quite a lot of men will take advantage if they can. I imagine that is a path that leads to other things fairly quickly when alcohol/drugs is involved for some rotters.
 
D-Ranged said:
Well that is absolutely ****** up. Makes you wonder what else goes on behind closed doors.
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Wasn't rita sue and bob too, basically a pedophile movie, but it was a popular movie at the time almost everyone had watched?

I don't think I ever heard anyone talk bad about it, makes you wonder what's normalised in the older generations.
 
D-Ranged said:
I used to go to raves all the time in my 20s and early 30s in London. I can't say I saw anything to untoward myself, but certainly heard some stories. Although the music I went to wasn't so mainstream, it was a lot harder drum and bass and Dutch hardcore, where you'd generally get a lot nicer crowds and tend to see the same faces.

One of my friends that is female told me once, she used to get groped all the time walking through crowds at clubs and it was just normal to her and didn't really bother her too much. That did really **** me off because doing something like that wouldn't even cross my mind, so just goes to show how quite a lot of men will take advantage if they can. I imagine that is a path that leads to other things fairly quickly when alcohol/drugs is involved for some rotters.
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Can't say I've done raves but plenty of clubbing including invites to private (after)parties (as in properly organised stuff on boats, etc.) and not aware of that kind of stuff happening except in like maybe 1-2 cases it supposedly happened. Definitely not a "not rare" thing where I have experience of (in some circles I can imagine it going on though).

I've seen some of the kind of behaviour in the second part of your post and that does annoy me especially that anyone would consider it normal or acceptable, but the line can be blurred sometimes - the way some behave, especially after a few drinks, can give the impression they are up for it when they might not be and I've had girls getting a bit hands on, usually ass grab in passing, but not out of the blue without previous interaction of some kind.
 
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nonetheless, doubt they will find future employment ... I assume convicted faces will be all over french press too, anonymity of masks rescinded.
 
imtoooldforthis said:
www.bbc.co.uk

Gisèle Pelicot thanks supporters after 'difficult ordeal' of rape trial as ex-husband jailed - live updates

Pelicot, who waived her right to anonymity, says she never regretted making the trial public "so society could see what was happening".
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20 years for the husband, the rest getting between 5-13 years

Doesn’t seem harsh enough
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The details of this case were horrific and gave me flashbacks to my jury service: rape/incest of all three of the defendant's children (two girls and a boy), from when they were 2, until they were able to leave home at 16.

It only came to light when each adult child eventually discovered they were not the only one being abused (all thinking their silence/compliance was protecting the other two), some thirty years later.

The mother was complicit, but took herself out of the equation as soon as the police investigation started.

We found him guilty and the judge gave him 25 years - at 68, I'm hoping he gets feet-first early release.
 
RedMogg said:
The details of this case were horrific and gave me flashbacks to my jury service: rape/incest of all three of the defendant's children (two girls and a boy), from when they were 2, until they were able to leave home at 16.

It only came to light when each adult child eventually discovered they were not the only one being abused (all thinking their silence/compliance was protecting the other two), some thirty years later.

The mother was complicit, but took herself out of the equation as soon as the police investigation started.

We found him guilty and the judge gave him 25 years - at 68, I'm hoping he gets feet-first early release.
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Surprisingly common. I’m so glad we have gotten over our fear of sex in the uk and actually teach children sex education in schools so they are more likely to know that being raped isn’t normal and they should tell someone.
 
hurfdurf said:
Surprisingly common. I’m so glad we have gotten over our fear of sex in the uk and actually teach children sex education in schools so they are more likely to know that being raped isn’t normal and they should tell someone.
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it still boggles my mind how that can happen, but you hear it about people who entered their mid teens not realising it's abnormal behaviour.

I think I read about one not so long ago who was like uni age when she discovered its not right.

These people aren't exactly amish, it's crazy to me
 
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I think the thing that shocks me the most about this is not so much that it happened, but that so many men apparently found this acceptable to take part in.
I mean, seriously, this is just food for the extreme feminists who hate the average man. Who can seriously blame them when so many men (in a relatively small neighbourhood) behave like this? It is disgraceful beyond words. This is the exact opposite of what it is to be a man.
 
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SpellowHouse said:
I think the thing that shocks me the most about this is not so much that it happened, but that so many men apparently found this acceptable to take part in.
I mean, seriously, this is just food for the extreme feminists who hate the average man. Who can seriously blame them when so many men (in a relatively small neighbourhood) behave like this? It is disgraceful beyond words. This is the exact opposite of what it is to be a man.
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probably says more about the culture of that area than men in general since it's such a rare occurrence.

Jazy is probably into that and diddy
 
arknor said:
probably says more about the culture of that area than men in general since it's such a rare occurrence.

Jazy is probably into that and diddy
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1 in 5 women in the uk have experienced sexual assault. It’s not a rare occurrence. We live in a society that outwardly condemns sexual assault but does very little to prevent it.
 
hurfdurf said:
1 in 5 women in the uk have experienced sexual assault. It’s not a rare occurrence. We live in a society that outwardly condemns sexual assault but does very little to prevent it.
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I don't understand why people think it is fun to assault anyone, let alone a woman who is least able to defend themselves against a man. There are times when old-fashioned morality is still the way to behave, even in this crazy world that we live in.
 
SpellowHouse said:
I think the thing that shocks me the most about this is not so much that it happened, but that so many men apparently found this acceptable to take part in.
I mean, seriously, this is just food for the extreme feminists who hate the average man. Who can seriously blame them when so many men (in a relatively small neighbourhood) behave like this? It is disgraceful beyond words. This is the exact opposite of what it is to be a man.
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It is shocking, but he did find them on an online sex forum for deviants rather than his neighbourhood (other than one neighbour). Apparently (https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ists-dominique-mazan-rape-trial-b2667653.html) most defendents came from within 60km but that's still a population of about 1.3 million people. About half of them had some kind of criminal record too, although most of those were minor offences.

I don't buy the narrative that these are 'average men'. These are predators who were using an online forum used especially for stuff like this. It's probably true that more men than I'd like to believe would either want to do something like this, or could be convinced it was OK on the day by a woman's husband, but it is still rare that it actually happens.
 
RedMogg said:
It only came to light when each adult child eventually discovered they were not the only one being abused (all thinking their silence/compliance was protecting the other two), some thirty years later.

The mother was complicit, but took herself out of the equation as soon as the police investigation started.
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What does that mean? Like if she's complicit in a serious crime how did she "take herself out of the equation" - did she commit suicide or something?
 
dowie said:
What does that mean? Like if she's complicit in a serious crime how did she "take herself out of the equation" - did she commit suicide or something?
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I think the general public would be shocked if they knew in how many of these child sexual abuse cases that it should have been quite obvious to the mother what was going on but that they turned a blind eye to it.

That's normally the 'complicit' bit with a lot of these women not even changing their allegiance much if at all when it all comes out to the police/ courts.
 
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dowie said:
What does that mean? Like if she's complicit in a serious crime how did she "take herself out of the equation" - did she commit suicide or something?
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Yes - she committed suicide, rather than face the shame of knowing exactly what was going on and doing nothing to stop it/report it.
The father was a brutal monster and we got to hear some of the horrific things he did to exert control, but even so, she did nothing to protect the children.
 
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