Froch Vs. Kessler

RockLobster · 26 Apr 2010 at 18:15

Kessler was better back then but Calzaghe still annihilated him. I would say Joe's best performance. Kessler back then would have stopped or beat Carl on points in Nottingham.

Psycho Ned · 26 Apr 2010 at 18:20

Terrible sour grapes from Froch to threaten to pull out of the super 6 if the Abraham fight isn't in Britain he arguably tucked Dirrell up with a home crowd decision in his first fight so to moan when it happens to him and threaten to pull out is a bit much!

and to be fair he was beat fair and square! Only 1 of the judges had it totally wrong the other 2 were about spot on.

Pigeon_Killer · 26 Apr 2010 at 18:24

Agree. Even if he did continue and went on to beat Abraham I don't think he would beat Dirrell again and I'm positive Ward would make a mess of him unless he got DQ'd for headbutting that is. No idea what sort of fighter Green is but the other two Americans have the style to beat all three Europeans quite easily.

vian_siu · 26 Apr 2010 at 23:39

RockLobster said:
Kessler was better back then but Calzaghe still annihilated him. I would say Joe's best performance. Kessler back then would have stopped or beat Carl on points in Nottingham.

calzaghe never annihilated kessler!

it was a competitive fight with kessler rocking him early but joe out-worked him down the stretch in the championship rounds. considering they were fighting in cardiff i thought kessler did extremely well, and is certainly a tad faster and have better reflexes than today's kessler.

vian_siu · 26 Apr 2010 at 23:41

Psycho Ned said:
Terrible sour grapes from Froch to threaten to pull out of the super 6 if the Abraham fight isn't in Britain he arguably tucked Dirrell up with a home crowd decision in his first fight so to moan when it happens to him and threaten to pull out is a bit much!

and to be fair he was beat fair and square! Only 1 of the judges had it totally wrong the other 2 were about spot on.

to be fair, NOBODY WINS A DECISION IN GERMANY! and everyone knows it. froch knows unless he kos abraham, he might as well not turn up, thats why he is pulling out.

fizzle-187 · 26 Apr 2010 at 23:44

thedoc46 said:
I thought Froch actually fought a decent fight. Kessler in my opinion did enough for the win. 111-117 was a little lobsided. Froch gave a decent enough defeat speech. If anything he's gone up in my book. Hopefully he won't go running his mouth off in a day or two saying how he should have won and calling out Calzaghe who would have boxed his ears off. I do expect a KO from Abraham in the next of his fights, and that'll probably be last last we hear of Carl Froch's unknown career.

I hear Khan is gloating on his twitter page. "Amir Khan Laughs" Carl got his ass whooped

WBA junior welterweight champion Amir Khan is laughing it up. He watched Carl Froch lose his undefeated record, and his WBC super middleweight title, to Mikkel Kessler on Saturday night in Denmark. Khan gets his revenge with a few choice words for Froch, who attacked Khan in the British press after Breidis Prescott knocked him out in under a minute in 2008. Carl Froch got his ass whooped from an opponent Joe Calzaghe beat with ease. Where will he go from this. We all knew he ain't world class; Khan sounded off on his personal Twitter page. Carl Froch, poor guy was whooped before he set his dreams in America. Every American promoter hates him and no TV wants him, I hear. Khan supports every British fighter - except for Froch. He knew the day would come when he would get his revenge to throw some verbal jabs at Froch's first defeat. I'm 100% behind British fighters but he just likes to dig at others, [so] now he can have back his own medicine," Khan said. I'm an honest guy. I don't like Froch, I thought he was a nice guy till he started trash talking bout me and Calzaghe. Froch fans, nothing against you but he digged at me when I was defeated and I always said what goes around comes around.

I think that just about sums it up.. Carl Froch Britains most unpopular champ !

I don't blame him, carl froch is a ****.

thedoc46 · 26 Apr 2010 at 23:44

Yes agreed, Kesslers better days are numbered. He used to double up on the jab and come in with sharp rights, typically obliterating his opponents. Plus he was an outstanding counter puncher. None of which was really present last Saturday. You can tell he was questioning his own ability after the Ward / Calazaghe defeat and he even said it himself, i just don't know if i've still got what it takes. He's made his money and he's lost his edge. What we saw on Saturday night was the best Froch had to offer, and a sub standard Kessler. It was close but Kessler showed enough aggression to take the win.. AS for Dirrell. I thought he easily beat Froch and that was definately a home cooked decision. He allowed himself to be muscle'd around by Froch who barely got a clean punch in. I was embarrased on his performance. But Dirrell, should have stood his ground more to the ugly gruffalo staggering towards his path.

RockLobster · 27 Apr 2010 at 00:03

vian_siu said:
calzaghe never annihilated kessler!

it was a competitive fight with kessler rocking him early but joe out-worked him down the stretch in the championship rounds. considering they were fighting in cardiff i thought kessler did extremely well, and is certainly a tad faster and have better reflexes than today's kessler.

Ok comprensively beaten.

panthro · 27 Apr 2010 at 07:03

fizzle-187 said:
I don't blame him, carl froch is a ****.

Couldnt have put it better myself.

Smit · 27 Apr 2010 at 10:01

vian_siu said:
to be fair, NOBODY WINS A DECISION IN GERMANY! and everyone knows it. froch knows unless he kos abraham, he might as well not turn up, thats why he is pulling out.

That's not true. People can win decisions in Germany but not very often. To be honest the UK judging is just as corrupt as German officials so we can't really complain.

Pigeon_Killer said:
No idea what sort of fighter Green is but the other two Americans have the style to beat all three Europeans quite easily.

Not a very good one. I would be absolutely shocked if he wins even more than 3 or 4 rounds in his 2 fights.

vian_siu · 27 Apr 2010 at 12:02

Smit said:
That's not true. People can win decisions in Germany but not very often. To be honest the UK judging is just as corrupt as German officials so we can't really complain.

with a popular german based fighter, its not going to happen

'Wes · 27 Apr 2010 at 12:52

vian_siu said:
to be fair, NOBODY WINS A DECISION IN GERMANY! and everyone knows it. froch knows unless he kos abraham, he might as well not turn up, thats why he is pulling out.

Haye did.

Smit · 27 Apr 2010 at 13:38

vian_siu said:
with a popular german based fighter, its not going to happen

Let's see, in recent memories the following German based fighters lost the decision:

Dimitrenko
Valuev
Braehmer

Ok it's not a big list but I am sure there are more than that.

How do you think fighters feel about coming to the UK? The judges in the UK are as much of a joke as anywhere in the world outside of the state of Texas

vian_siu · 27 Apr 2010 at 21:04

Smit said:
Let's see, in recent memories the following German based fighters lost the decision:

Dimitrenko
Valuev
Braehmer

Ok it's not a big list but I am sure there are more than that.

How do you think fighters feel about coming to the UK? The judges in the UK are as much of a joke as anywhere in the world outside of the state of Texas

none of these lot are half as popular as abraham! anyway i agree uk judges are a joke as well, thats why i think they should fight in a neutral ground. but it is not going to happen as far as money goes.

e36Adz · 27 Apr 2010 at 21:46

I think Froch proved once again in this fight, that he is the real deal, a genuine hard son of a ....! It is frustrating watching him fight, he's not that fast, he's sloppy, his defense isn't that good, but the guy is solid.

Abraham vs Froch should be a true Rocky bout.

panthro · 28 Apr 2010 at 01:38

e36Adz said:
I think Froch proved once again in this fight, that he is the real deal

Well clearly not as he lost his record and his title.

vian_siu · 28 Apr 2010 at 02:37

panthro said:
Well clearly not as he lost his record and his title.

whats wrong with you people?! he only had one very close loss against a world class fighter, after beating 3 on a bounces! losing once to a very good fighter in kessler is not the end of the world!

some people really need to understand boxing before commenting, just because you dont like froch as a person doesnt mean he is not a good boxer! he might not be the most technically sound or fast, but if you cant see this solid guy with his incredible grit, determination, power, heart and iron chin then you need to go to spec savers!

he might look very slow and sloppy on tv, but the guy in ring fighting this tough guy that throw hard punches constantly for 12 rounds usually see a different story.

i agree abraham v froch will be a epic fight, lets just hope they get proper judges this time.

panthro · 28 Apr 2010 at 03:25

vian_siu said:
whats wrong with you people?! he only had one very close loss against a world class fighter, after beating 3 on a bounces! losing once to a very good fighter in kessler is not the end of the world!

some people really need to understand boxing before commenting, just because you dont like froch as a person doesnt mean he is not a good boxer! he might not be the most technically sound or fast, but if you cant see this solid guy with his incredible grit, determination, power, heart and iron chin then you need to go to spec savers!

he might look very slow and sloppy on tv, but the guy in ring fighting this tough guy that throw hard punches constantly for 12 rounds usually see a different story.

i agree abraham v froch will be a epic fight, lets just hope they get proper judges this time.

What makes you a world class expert then? Or are you just in love with the guy, having to defend him in every single way?
He got beat, get over it. He lost his title and his record which doesnt make him the real deal, so you can take your posters down in your room now.
He looks slow and sloppy on TV because he is slow and sloppy (IMO). Obviously thats relatively because he is clearly a tough guy that throws hard punches by anyones standards, but obviously not tough enough.

vian_siu · 28 Apr 2010 at 04:47

panthro said:
What makes you a world class expert then? Or are you just in love with the guy, having to defend him in every single way?
He got beat, get over it. He lost his title and his record which doesnt make him the real deal, so you can take your posters down in your room now.
He looks slow and sloppy on TV because he is slow and sloppy (IMO). Obviously thats relatively because he is clearly a tough guy that throws hard punches by anyones standards, but obviously not tough enough.

well if you know your boxing, you could probably know having alphabet title means almost nothing as these organizations are a poison to the sport. and obviously you dont know, thats why you place so much emphasis on the crappy wbc title. froch could have held his title for eternal by not entering the super 6 tournament and defend it 20 times against bums like calzaghe did and retire undefeated. would you respect him more for doing that?

to be rated as a good boxer is more about fighting and beating big names in their prime and the style he took to achieve it. and froch has already done that a few times whether you like it or not.

what i doesnt like about you people is constant criticism without knowing the fighter and his history, but simply because you dont like him as a person.

the only reason i am defending froch is people like you who doesnt respect what he achieved. he has done it in dramatic fashion though pure gut and will and without a big promoter like frank warran marketing and backing him for big fights and cherry picking for him. that in itself makes it a even more impressive feat.

again one very close loss does not make a good fighter turn crap instantly. froch has already proved himself as a top fighter by beating pascal, taylor (knocked him out in his own backyard), and direll. every fighter usually have a break or tune up fight before/after every tough fight because it usually takes something out of the guy, but froch didnt. and to win 3 tough fights in a row is certainly impressive. it could have been the 4th had the judges to take a look at both fighter's face at the end. kessler certainly looked more damaged out of the two men. again it was a very close fight that could have gone neither way, so really there was no real loser in that fight.

this painfully slow and sloppy fighter has already proven time and time again he has the ability to beat better, younger and faster guys.

panthro · 28 Apr 2010 at 07:28

vian_siu said:
well if you know your boxing, you could probably know having alphabet title means almost nothing as these organizations are a poison to the sport. and obviously you dont know, thats why you place so much emphasis on the crappy wbc title. froch could have held his title for eternal by not entering the super 6 tournament and defend it 20 times against bums like calzaghe did and retire undefeated. would you respect him more for doing that?

to be rated as a good boxer is more about fighting and beating big names in their prime and the style he took to achieve it. and froch has already done that a few times whether you like it or not.

what i doesnt like about you people is constant criticism without knowing the fighter and his history, but simply because you dont like him as a person.

the only reason i am defending froch is people like you who doesnt respect what he achieved. he has done it in dramatic fashion though pure gut and will and without a big promoter like frank warran marketing and backing him for big fights and cherry picking for him. that in itself makes it a even more impressive feat.

again one very close loss does not make a good fighter turn crap instantly. froch has already proved himself as a top fighter by beating pascal, taylor (knocked him out in his own backyard), and direll. every fighter usually have a break or tune up fight before/after every tough fight because it usually takes something out of the guy, but froch didnt. and to win 3 tough fights in a row is certainly impressive. it could have been the 4th had the judges to take a look at both fighter's face at the end. kessler certainly looked more damaged out of the two men. again it was a very close fight that could have gone neither way, so really there was no real loser in that fight.

this painfully slow and sloppy fighter has already proven time and time again he has the ability to beat better, younger and faster guys.

Just a few points:
1st, why do you think Calzaghe is a bum? Do you think Carl Froch is better, because if you do then thats just laughable. He got beat by someone who Calzaghe beat with ease.

2nd, Taylor was past it when he fought Froch and was ahead on all scorecards before being TKO'd, therefore you comment about him having the ability to beat better, younger faster guys isnt really valid.

3rd, why would Froch hold onto his title but not fight in the Super Six's, it would make no sense.

4th, He beat Pascal by a split, so it wasnt exactly a great victory.

5th, I do respect him, I never said I didnt, but I dont believe he is a boxer to be hyped up, and he is way too arrogant, particularly how he treated Khan when he lost, one of the main reasons why I dont like him, aside from not impressing me with his boxing.

I know my boxing and I know Carl Froch, and Im also entitled to my opinion.