Front Door Locks

I take on board what your saying and yes a professional thief with the right knowledge will be able to defeat pretty much any lock, their are videos on YouTube of people lock picking even the most expensive, military grade padlocks that cost upwards of 1k.

The thing is you potentially get different kinds of people trying to gain access to a house. Professionals will do it quietly without you even knowing. A smack head will not be picking a lock, he will look for the easiest opportunity and will likely know like me, that a night latch can be easily kicked through. You could have a violent person, an ex, a drug dealer etc who again will not be looking to pick your locks.

I get that your knowledge exceeds the average joes but it’s skewed towards the mind of a professional thief. Not every thief has a professional skill set and for those looking to use brute force a night latch on its own isn’t stopping them.

Anyhoo that’s my 2 cents.

I would refer you back to my original post. A single point of security will not withstand a brute force attack. The striker plate and rebate on your mortice lock are in the same piece of wood that failed on your night latch attack. The night latch didn’t break. The wood did. That wood will fail just the same when it’s wrapped around the mortice bolt as the bolt on the night latch. On your new front door you have 3 points of security and bolted hinges. That’s a more secure door. And if you noticed when it was installed, the bolts that slide across don’t go into wood, they go into a re-enforced rebate in the door frame, not the surround. So there is no wood to fail. As I said above, you won’t kick that in.

My mind isn’t skewed anywhere other than ‘how do I gain access?”

If my decision on “how do I gain access?” is a brute force attack then your mortice lock is no better than your night latch. Don’t fool yourself that a British Standard Kite Mark makes your wood tougher.
 
I have to disagree. Something that is set into the wooden frame will always be stronger than something that screwed to the face. In the same way a proper carpentry joint will always be stronger than 2 pieces of wood just screwed together.

I get the bit about upvc having multiple points but that irrelevant to the op that has a wooden door, unless he is prepared to replace the wooden door.

A night latch is great for convenience when you are coming and going on a regular basis, couple that with something like a mortise lock that can be used when your away for longer periods and you have greater security than either a night latch or mortise lock on its own.
 
Then we’re just going to have to disagree. I think we agree on more than we disagree on.

Unless you want to supply me with address and I’ll give you a live demonstration of mechanical breaching :)
 
This is helping the OP immensely.

Either replace the lock like for like but newer, or replace the whole for a few hundred quid
 
Then we’re just going to have to disagree. I think we agree on more than we disagree on.

Unless you want to supply me with address and I’ll give you a live demonstration of mechanical breaching :)
I’m ok thanks I’m not planning to replace my door and door frame anytime soon :).

I did it out of necessity. I was actually trapped in my porch where the upvc door was locked and I had closed the door with the night latch behind me and left all my keys in the house :eek:. I was actually thankful I was able to kick it in quite easily otherwise I would have had an awkward and embarrassing phone call with my boss explaining why I would be late.

My door was at that point compromised so I had to do something about it. If it was to happen again it would probably be easier and cheaper to break a window.

What would you recommend for the op?
 
I replaced my night latch with a ERA 60mm job,
changed the mortis to an ERA 5 lever mortice, and put longer hinge screws in at different angles. There were already 2 very large slide bolts top and bottom of the door.
The door itself is a Victorian job that weighs to much for me to carry on my own.

It’s withstood a sustained break in attempt
 
As @WJA96 says, correctly, its seldom the lock that is the point of failure on most wooden frame doors, its the cheap, doorframe. I have attended hundreds of break-ins / burglaries never have I seen locks bumped, cylinders snapped or locks picked. I have seen lots of doors kicked in (frames nearly always give way) patio doors smashed / lifted off runners and entire eurocylinders smashed out with lump-hammer and screwdriver or windows pried open. Your basic burglar is not some master thief, he's an opportunist scrote who will use pure brute-force to gain entry. He probably has more testicles than he has GCSE's but he will know the quickest and easiest way into your house - and that is never subtle. The tools of his trade will probably include a big cheap flat heat screwdriver, some form of jemmy / pry bar, something heavy to hit things with and a wrap of speed / cocaine. Most locks, from most DIY Sheds will serve a similar purpose, if they are manufactured to BS 3621 or have TS 007 or have a Sold Secure rating. It wont matter how secure the lock is, if the thing that it is fitted to fails - that is why most modern external wooden doors come with a frame and will carry British Standard PAS 24 rating. PAS 24 is an nnhanced security performance requirements for doorsets and windows in the UK.
 
So there are different options available when you are trying to fix the door lock you can replace with new one or fix the issue. I recently check out home lock installation tampa and they provide me best results and fix the existing errors. So you can choose the locksmith according to the experience of it.
 
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Get a locksmith out to give some advice.


Let me suggest an alternative :)

Get a drug dealer out to give advice. I watched some rozzers in Manchester attempting to batter some scrote's front door in for ten minutes until it became obvious that either their battering ram was a plastic toy, the rozzers were about as fit as I am, or the drug dealer had installed rather impressive security :)
 
Let me suggest an alternative :)

Get a drug dealer out to give advice. I watched some rozzers in Manchester attempting to batter some scrote's front door in for ten minutes until it became obvious that either their battering ram was a plastic toy, the rozzers were about as fit as I am, or the drug dealer had installed rather impressive security :)

Probably a 6 or 12 point lock mechanism. You can secure the door both sides and even top and bottom. And set the door in the frame with short iron bars.
 
Let me suggest an alternative :)

Get a drug dealer out to give advice. I watched some rozzers in Manchester attempting to batter some scrote's front door in for ten minutes until it became obvious that either their battering ram was a plastic toy, the rozzers were about as fit as I am, or the drug dealer had installed rather impressive security :)
Check out Latham Steel doors. They have a video of Eddie Hall trying to break down various doors with a sledge hammer - interesting stuff if you car about that sort of thing.
 
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Yeah, it's all about making your place slightly more difficult to get into than the neighbours...

I've got diamond rated Uliton locks, so it would be easier to put the kitchen/living room window through rather than trying to get in through the door.
 
Yeah, it's all about making your place slightly more difficult to get into than the neighbours...

I've got diamond rated Uliton locks, so it would be easier to put the kitchen/living room window through rather than trying to get in through the door.
I’ve actually got the new Ultion decoder and it’s just fabulous. Literally 30 seconds to two minutes and you’re in. Two entries and it paid for itself.
 
I’ve actually got the new Ultion decoder and it’s just fabulous. Literally 30 seconds to two minutes and you’re in. Two entries and it paid for itself.


Maybe so, but your average smack head won't know that, they just want to pinch a PC or a playstation.
 
Maybe so, but your average smack head won't know that, they just want to pinch a PC or a playstation.

I was just pointing out that Ultions aren’t all that amazing. They’re a bar steward to drill, no doubt, and they have some snap protection and that’s not enough to stop you getting a pre-payment gas meter anymore.
 
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