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[Fud]Nvidia's next gen, will be hotter than the GX2
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WTF, this all just complete speculation, no one has a clue whats going to happen,
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ATI may win the next round,
how the hell can you determain that from some speculative crap posted on FUD.
Nothing like defending a manufacturer... Think you need to take a chill pill and possibly try an ATI card.
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ATI may win the next round,
how the hell can you determain that from some speculative crap posted on FUD.
Nothing like defending a manufacturer... Think you need to take a chill pill and possibly try an ATI card.
WTF, this all just complete speculation, no one has a clue whats going to happen, how the hell can you determain that from some speculative crap posted on FUD.
ZOMG DONT SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT MEH NVIDIA!!!!1111
Tried an ATI card, 2900XT, it stunk so bad i went out and bought an 8800GT, now I'm in nirvana.
I thought you were in love with that 2900XT you divorced?
I think ATI have gone the dual core route a little early, XFire and SLI arn't good enough yet and I have 2 screens which makes it worse. I think it will win but will probably be the last high end single core card, it all depends on how efficient they can make XFire.
Until they can make 2 cores share the same RAM it just seems totoally stupid to me...
Until they can make 2 cores share the same RAM it just seems totoally stupid to me...
I think now is the time, as sli and xfire have been out for years and they now can do it so they are doing it and its actually working so i think ati need more congratulations for there 3870x2 than what most people relise
Okay, so what we know is that it's on the same manufacturing process but with a huge number of transistors...
Now, of course, all things being exactly the same, we would indeed see a huge power consumption increase.
However, I'm sure nVidia are perfectly capable of keeping the power usage within a semi-reasonable threshold by lowering the clockspeeds and the voltage while still maintaining a decent performing part. Presumably if it's 1bill+ transistors, then it's probably gonna be a 256-shader part or something similar, so even if the clocks are scaled back a fair bit, then it's still gonna mop the proverbial floor with the old 8800 cards.
Now, of course, all things being exactly the same, we would indeed see a huge power consumption increase.
However, I'm sure nVidia are perfectly capable of keeping the power usage within a semi-reasonable threshold by lowering the clockspeeds and the voltage while still maintaining a decent performing part. Presumably if it's 1bill+ transistors, then it's probably gonna be a 256-shader part or something similar, so even if the clocks are scaled back a fair bit, then it's still gonna mop the proverbial floor with the old 8800 cards.
WTF, this all just complete speculation, no one has a clue whats going to happen, how the hell can you determain that from some speculative crap posted on FUD.
Read what he says
. ATI MAY win next round.Nobody determined anything. It's only speculation like you said
.Tried an ATI card, 2900XT, it stunk so bad i went out and bought an 8800GT, now I'm in nirvana.
This is the thing that gets me about you. You were always quick to put people down when you had the card, defending it like crazy no matter what got said. As soon as you got the GT you then done a complete turn around.
If you are basing a company on one not so great product then your basis is very weak.
9800Pro, X800XT PE, X1800XT, X1900XT were all brilliant cards and I'm not the only one that can tell you that. We need people to give out the right information to others and stop this purchase justification nonsense.
Also the 2900Pro overclocked past XT speeds was a pretty decent card. The only difference I notice is AA performances. Without AA then I see hardly any difference at all but the ATI card is more stable. Don't say it wasn't only AA performances as I still have my 2900 card. The HD3870/3850 is pretty good too, especially the new X2.
So if you are going to keep on spouting rubbish every time Nvidia and ATI are mentioned then you are just giving out bad information time after time. At least Tom|nbk just said the truth when he moved over, it's AA performances he was after and realised that the 2900 was a decent card but just not good enough after trying the GTX. Unlike you who turned from ATI defender to attacker in one day after getting the GT (sale justification at it's worst), it was pretty weird. Now, I didn't notice absolutely ANYTHING different except from AA performances and the GPU I'm using a GTX so I don't understand what bothered you so much about the 2900. So you are trying to say that because of AA performances you now hate ATI with a passion?. Please
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Read what he says
Nobody determined anything. It's only speculation like you said
This is the thing that gets me about you. You were always quick to put people down when you had the card, defending it like crazy no matter what got said. As soon as you got the GT you then done a complete turn around.
If you are basing a company on one not so great product then your basis is very weak.
9800Pro, X800XT PE, X1800XT, X1900XT were all brilliant cards and I'm not the only one that can tell you that. We need people to give out the right information to others and stop this purchase justification nonsense.
Also the 2900Pro overclocked past XT speeds was a pretty decent card. The only difference I notice is AA performances. Without AA then I see hardly any difference at all but the ATI card is more stable. Don't say it wasn't only AA performances as I still have my 2900 card. The HD3870/3850 is pretty good too, especially the new X2.
So if you are going to keep on spouting rubbish every time Nvidia and ATI are mentioned then you are just giving out bad information time after time. At least Tom|nbk just said the truth when he moved over, it's AA performances he was after and realised that the 2900 was a decent card but just not good enough after trying the GTX. Unlike you who turned from ATI defender to attacker in one day after getting the GT (sale justification at it's worst), it was pretty weird. Now, I didn't notice absolutely ANYTHING different except from AA performances and the GPU I'm using a GTX so I don't understand what bothered you so much about the 2900. So you are trying to say that because of AA performances you now hate ATI with a passion?. Please
Agree the gtx is like ati's 9700 and ati are doing the best they can with what they got until R700 and because it multi gpu i think doing a multi gpu before it makes good sense so hopefully they can get the drivers right for the R700.
I not against this card but was ****** off at no r700 and g100/200 (what ever it called now) and was a bit negative.
the 2900 was/is still a great card.... i agree aa performance isn't great but without aa its very fast...
in crysis i get.
2900 @ 774 / 860, everything high , 1280x1024 , vista64, dx9.
2008-01-31 18:18:08 - crysis64
Frames: 4891 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 42.758 - Min: 16 - Max: 58
2900 @ 774 / 860, everything high , 1650x1050, vista64, dx9.
2008-01-31 11:10:46 - crysis64
Frames: 4112 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 34.266 - Min: 14 - Max: 54
in crysis i get.
2900 @ 774 / 860, everything high , 1280x1024 , vista64, dx9.
2008-01-31 18:18:08 - crysis64
Frames: 4891 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 42.758 - Min: 16 - Max: 58
2900 @ 774 / 860, everything high , 1650x1050, vista64, dx9.
2008-01-31 11:10:46 - crysis64
Frames: 4112 - Time: 120000ms - Avg: 34.266 - Min: 14 - Max: 54
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hmm when you buy a high end card and it was ati's flagship card no less you really wanna be playing with copious amounts of aa and af, saying its a good card without aa is just another way of saying it was a bad card? thats what mid range cards are for surely, ati eol'ing it after a few months kinda confirms that.
Aye, nothing wrong with a stumbling block, as it happened to Nvidia also.
Hopefully R700 will see AA performances that we are used to with ATI.
On top of what Gerard said.
Also the card that replaced the 2900 is the same speed. Just a little cooler, less of a power draw and a quieter fan.
Do you stand and look about for jaggies when you are playing a game?. If so then you need to actually start playing the game. I played with the 2900Pro OC'd and my gaming was great looking and fun. Also playing at 1920x1440 or higher made the image look better so again, unless you are looking for it then you can enjoy a great looking, smooth gaming experience time after time without using AA.
Yes I did get the GTX to be able to use AA and added IQ as it's more powerful but I paid more for it than I did for the 2900Pro. Trust me, you can still have some great fun with smooth frame rates with the 2900 cards as well as the HD38--'s.
You are confusing flagship with high-end. Compared to the global market, the 2900XT was not ultra high-end. It was, however, their best card. This means it was their flagship product. It just wasn't as good as Nvidias
Oh god now a card thats meant to compete with the gts is considered flagship product. Ati stated back then that heat and power draw were the reasons that a more complex faster version wasn't possible. And for their high end solution they also stated that crossfired 2900's would provide what people wanted.
Bottom line was the 2900xt was a competitor to the gts, NOT the gtx nomatter what way you spin it. And it certainly was no "flagship product" flagship is always the superhigh end expensive card, the 2900xt was neither superhigh end or very expensive. They simply never had one this time around.
Bottom line was the 2900xt was a competitor to the gts, NOT the gtx nomatter what way you spin it. And it certainly was no "flagship product" flagship is always the superhigh end expensive card, the 2900xt was neither superhigh end or very expensive. They simply never had one this time around.