Fukushima

[StriderX]

More importantly, how many giant mutant creatures and superheroes/villains has nuclear power created? Reason enough to continue with it until we get results

There should be a death/Watt comparison made between the different forms of energy generation.

Mutant creatures? plenty in the Zone at Chernobyl, though only at the time it was very radioactive.

Double-headed cows being them most obvious.

 

[One]

Knee jerk reactions to the Fukushima accident are amazing really. It doesn't help that the world nuclear has a negative stigma attached to it.

I still remember the question time which covered nuclear expansion in the UK, some kid commented about the UK will never have a tsunami of Japans size and behind him a woman's face scrunched up as if she thought one was coming right now

 

[jsmoke]

*runs to build a nuclear bunker*

 

[FreeStream]

The accident will kill hundreds if not thousands of people indirectly (by causing illness).

The figures haven't been conclusively proven for Chernobyl let alone anything else. Although it is a given that the death rate would have been increased, but by how much is the question.

Radiation is essentially the probability of the DNA being damaged.

Personally I would love to see more nuclear power. Fukushima/Chernobyl fascinates me.

 

[Grrrrr]

There is, and nuclear is pretty much the lowest, one second I will try and find the image.

interesting, I thought coal would be the worst. I don't suppose you have the methodology behind the graph?

 

[RomanNose]

interesting, I thought coal would be the worst. I don't suppose you have the methodology behind the graph?

No I just found it on google images lol.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Why do you say that?
It doesn't look like it will kill anyone from the reports out there. You can't compare it to any previous nuclear disaster, massive safety precautions were taken that limited exposure to workers and the locals didn't get much dosage.

You seem very certain?

I was going off the most conservative estimate from people well placed to know better than I do (ie not the headline-grabbers): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll#cite_note-8

 

[[TW]Fox]

I was going off the most conservative estimate from people well placed to know better than I do (ie not the headline-grabbers): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll#cite_note-8

lol

Frank N. von Hippel, a U.S. scientist, has suggested, as "a very preliminary order-of-magnitude guesstimate," that "one might expect around 1,000 extra cancer deaths related to the Fukushima Daiichi accident."[9]

ie, nobody really knows yet.

 

[Tefal]

I was going off the most conservative estimate from people well placed to know better than I do (ie not the headline-grabbers): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll#cite_note-8

You're quoting a source you can't read?

Or do you have an Athens login?

 

[Grrrrr]

No I just found it on google images lol.

nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/deaths-per-twh-by-energy-source.html

This source seems to differ from your graph. Too late at night for me to convince myself of its accuracy our otherwise though!

 

[RomanNose]

I was going off the most conservative estimate from people well placed to know better than I do (ie not the headline-grabbers): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_and_radiation_accidents_by_death_toll#cite_note-8

The max dosage was 25msv to the residences, you get 5% added risk per sv so that's 0.125% added risk so with 500,000 people at 0.125 % you get 625 cases, but remember that the exposure decreases with distance!

96% of people got <5msv, which reduces it by a fifth to 125, so his estimate is quite ott.

 

[Hatter The Mad]

lol

ie, nobody really knows yet.

Well, what do you have to go on?

 

[Hatter The Mad]

You're quoting a source you can't read?

Or do you have an Athens login?

I had it saved from a while back. Here you go: http://imgur.com/eH0Dt

Seemed like a reasonable guesstimate to me.

 

[Lil old me]

Something like this has come up before and I think the general consensus was that it's a load of rubbish.

On the issue of earthquakes here is a list of all the earthquakes in Japan in the last week http://www.jma.go.jp/en/quake/quake_local_index.html You can see how many list Fukushima as the epicentre. Likewise any that say Miyagi are close enough to be felt in Fukushima and 6 months ago they were much stronger.

If it really was that close to falling apart I think these constant tremors would have had a pretty devastating affect!

 

[elmarko]

From what I've read from a number of scientific papers, that actual amount leaked seems to be inconsistent pending on who did the study.

Which implies that at least one of the groups (pro or anti-nuclear) may be playing down, or exaggerating the figures.

Who is true, well - give it 50 years we can compare death rates to see.

 

[ubersonic]

Pure alarmist drivel, Fukushima was a great example of how safe nuclear power is, this guy is just exploiting the media sensationalism surrounding it to increase the revenue of his sites ads, either that or he genuinely is a retard.

We have had worse disasters than Fukushima in the UK, he only reason it has a rating so high on the nuclear accident level is because they tallied up the ratings for the four reactors on the site.

 

[burns]

I liked this comment, matches the tone of the article nicely

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John 3:3, John 3:16, John 14:6, Romans 3:23, Romans 6:23, Revelation 20:11-15

 

[Elixir]

I had it saved from a while back. Here you go: http://imgur.com/eH0Dt

Seemed like a reasonable guesstimate to me.

Based on what? What background do you have in the area to assess whether it's a reasonable estimate or not?

P.S. If you have to call whatever you're telling people as fact a "guesstimate" there's a pretty clear sign you have no solid reasoning behind it.

 

[TommyV]

FukutooOP

 

[Hatter The Mad]

Based on what? What background do you have in the area to assess whether it's a reasonable estimate or not?

A physics interest. The paper isn't complicated and seems to me to form a reasonably logical conclusion based on what it uses. I also have established a level of trust of the author and the bulletin's peers.

P.S. If you have to call whatever you're telling people as fact a "guesstimate" there's a pretty clear sign you have no solid reasoning behind it.

You're right. Silly me. I'm not a thermonuclear physicist or a medical physician so I can't possibly judge a fairly simple bulletin paper on whether or not it seems logical, or discuss it with similar plebs on a forum. I will never consider anything ever again unless it is something I have decades of expertise in and several degrees to my name.