Full Network Setup for a former school (CCTV + Wifi + More)

I don't think £1500 is enough, as soon as you need a 24 port PoE switch that's £350 gone and it's easy to use 24 ports. That and a UDM Pro Max is two thirds of the budget and you've not bought cable, outlets, access points, any sort of rack cabinet etc. I'm not counting labour costs as I assume this is either voluntary or factored in elsewhere.

You should come up with a minimum viable solution for the budget you have, which will likely involve cabling to the places it's required for access points and CCTV in future, a location by the front door for an intercom etc, a gateway that can support the Protect app, a couple of cameras and a couple of access points. The rest you will need to grow into.
 
I don't think £1500 is enough, as soon as you need a 24 port PoE switch that's £350 gone and it's easy to use 24 ports. That and a UDM Pro Max is two thirds of the budget and you've not bought cable, outlets, access points, any sort of rack cabinet etc. I'm not counting labour costs as I assume this is either voluntary or factored in elsewhere.

You should come up with a minimum viable solution for the budget you have, which will likely involve cabling to the places it's required for access points and CCTV in future, a location by the front door for an intercom etc, a gateway that can support the Protect app, a couple of cameras and a couple of access points. The rest you will need to grow into.
I think you're really overestimating the size of the project mate!

We're going to have
1 classroom
1 office room
1 multi purpose hall (events/dinners/hiring)

At most I'm going to need 4 cameras, 2 APs (hall and classroom) and maybe a bell/intercom for the front gate.

The size and scope of the buildings won't change, so unlikely to need more cameras or APs.

I can't even begin to imagine what I'd need 24 PoE ports for, or even a rack cabinet.
 
In which case my shopping basket would be along the lines of...

1x Cloud Gateway Fibre - £275
1x 4TB NVME - £200 (for CCTV storage in UCG Fibre)
2x U7 Pro XG APs - £380
4x G5 Turret Ultra - £380
1x USW Flex 2.5G PoE Switch - £190
1x UACC Adapter AC 210W - £78 (for the PoE switch above)
Total - £1503

Do you plan to have Cat6 points run around the building anywhere, or just 1-2 for the office? If you only need a few then you should get away connected to the router. But you'll need the switch to run all the APs and cameras.

I don't know too much about the gates, I've not used it yet. But if you're bothered I think you'd need along the lines of:

UA Intercom - £287
UA Intercom Viewer - £143
UA Gate Hub - £264
Total - £694

Plus add any costs to run Cat6 around the building and gate if required etc.

Edit: Forgot to add a POE switch, added now.
 
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Sorry but you don’t seem to have any idea as to what you are doing and should outsource before you make some very expensive mistakes.

Coming from working in state schools any project that cost more than 10k required quotes from at least 3 suppliers, spending more than 10k in a year with a single supplier also brought more scrutiny.

Having managed many school ICT projects costing tens of thousands each I have never paid a supplier to provide a quote as part of the bid process so I don’t know why you think there are consultation fees.


You don’t use domestic broadband contracts in education settings, when Ofsted visit and find you don’t have both filtering and monitoring systems in place they will shut you down it is a legal safeguarding requirement and is in no way optional even if you only have one class room. Either you use an educational broadband provider or you have to purchase your own filtering solutions and you then still need to purchase monitoring systems such as Smoothwall Radar.

Also what happens when the line goes down and you have to wait a week for an engineer because you have a home broadband level service agreement?


Who will be your data protection officer, who is going to write your CCTV policies?
You know that your CCTV system needs to be registered with the ICO and that you are subject to freedom of information requests to access the footage and that you need a data retention policy and data protection impact assessment?

Why do you want to view CCTV footage from home, you know all CCTV access is supposed to be logged?

Ideally you should have designated CCTV operators that have been appropriately trained. Schools don’t always have this but at the very least they need a basic understanding of GDPR and must have an Enhanced DBS certificate and been vetted by your safer recruitment officer.


You are confusing equipment like ring with what is required in any education setting they are not remotely the same.


You would have a NVR either with the cams cabled directly to it or put on a VLAN, you would need comms cabs, router, firewall appliance or cloud solution, possibly a layer 3 core switch, Edge switches, POE switches, 10Gb fibre links between buildings, access points, uninterruptible power supplies and so on.

PC’s need to be managed either with a server running active directory, group policy etc. or cloud based with Azure and Intune. All users must be authenticated sharing logins / using stand-alone PC’s simply isn’t acceptable from a safeguarding point.

Any mobile devices need to be managed with an MDM e.g. Apple school manager used alongside something like Meraki.


Your budget is pitiful a Promethean interactive board alone could cost over £2k.


You would have a door access system such as Net2 and electronic locks and intercoms not some domestic ring garbage that won’t work if your internet goes down.



Also why are you posting this on a gaming forum and not somewhere like Edugeek?
 
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@NetMan I interpreted this as a small business private tutor or training provider environment, not a fully regulated Ofsted school? Could be wrong though.

The events/dinner/hire hall is a curve ball, but more reason that it's a new/small business likely.
 
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Sorry but you don’t seem to have any idea as to what you are doing and should outsource before you make some very expensive mistakes.

Coming from working in state schools any project that cost more than 10k required quotes from at least 3 suppliers, spending more than 10k in a year with a single supplier also brought more scrutiny.

Having managed many school ICT projects costing tens of thousands each I have never paid a supplier to provide a quote as part of the bid process so I don’t know why you think there are consultation fees.


You don’t use domestic broadband contracts in education settings, when Ofsted visit and find you don’t have both filtering and monitoring systems in place they will shut you down it is a legal safeguarding requirement and is in no way optional even if you only have one class room. Either you use an educational broadband provider or you have to purchase your own filtering solutions and you then still need to purchase monitoring systems such as Smoothwall Radar.

Also what happens when the line goes down and you have to wait a week for an engineer because you have a home broadband level service agreement?


Who will be your data protection officer, who is going to write your CCTV policies?
You know that your CCTV system needs to be registered with the ICO and that you are subject to freedom of information requests to access the footage and that you need a data retention policy and data protection impact assessment?

Why do you want to view CCTV footage from home, you know all CCTV access is supposed to be logged?

Ideally you should have designated CCTV operators that have been appropriately trained. Schools don’t always have this but at the very least they need a basic understanding of GDPR and must have an Enhanced DBS certificate and been vetted by your safer recruitment officer.


You are confusing equipment like ring with what is required in any education setting they are not remotely the same.


You would have a NVR either with the cams cabled directly to it or put on a VLAN, you would need comms cabs, router, firewall appliance or cloud solution, possibly a layer 3 core switch, Edge switches, POE switches, 10Gb fibre links between buildings, access points, uninterruptible power supplies and so on.

PC’s need to be managed either with a server running active directory, group policy etc. or cloud based with Azure and Intune. All users must be authenticated sharing logins / using stand-alone PC’s simply isn’t acceptable from a safeguarding point.

Any mobile devices need to be managed with an MDM e.g. Apple school manager used alongside something like Meraki.


Your budget is pitiful a Promethean interactive board alone could cost over £2k.


You would have a door access system such as Net2 and electronic locks and intercoms not some domestic ring garbage that won’t work if your internet goes down.



Also why are you posting this on a gaming forum and not somewhere like Edugeek?
Hi mate
That all sounds like an incredible headache and way too much for what I need.
We're not running a school, you've misunderstood, I bought a former school site. But we'll be running some small scale activities there as a charity.

I'm glad you're charging tens of thousands to schools do all that headache for them pal and I hope you get many more contracts. But I'm just trying to make sure my site has some WiFi and some cameras with a minimal of fuss . I'll leave the MI5 DeepMind data centre work to professionals like you.
 
In which case my shopping basket would be along the lines of...

1x Cloud Gateway Fibre - £275
1x 4TB NVME - £200 (for CCTV storage in UCG Fibre)
2x U7 Pro XG APs - £380
4x G5 Turret Ultra - £380
1x USW Flex 2.5G PoE Switch - £190
1x UACC Adapter AC 210W - £78 (for the PoE switch above)
Total - £1503

Do you plan to have Cat6 points run around the building anywhere, or just 1-2 for the office? If you only need a few then you should get away connected to the router. But you'll need the switch to run all the APs and cameras.

I don't know too much about the gates, I've not used it yet. But if you're bothered I think you'd need along the lines of:

UA Intercom - £287
UA Intercom Viewer - £143
UA Gate Hub - £264
Total - £694

Plus add any costs to run Cat6 around the building and gate if required etc.

Edit: Forgot to add a POE switch, added now.
This is great thanks mate.

Any views on turret vs bullet cameras?
And is there a specific benefit to the u7 pro xg APs vs say the u7 lite ones?

Yeah I'll run cat 6 everywhere that needs it as part of the refurb work, shouldn't be a problem.
 
This is great thanks mate.

Any views on turret vs bullet cameras?
And is there a specific benefit to the u7 pro xg APs vs say the u7 lite ones?

Yeah I'll run cat 6 everywhere that needs it as part of the refurb work, shouldn't be a problem.

The G5 Turret Ultra (versus G5 Bullet, keeping it in that price range) has a wider viewing angle, further IR night vision, better weatherproofing - so personally I prefer turrets, but bullets have their use cases.

Pro XG is all-round a more powerful AP, stronger signal, faster speeds, etc. If you're incredibly budget conscious then sure go for U7 Lite. To me it's a small uplift to get the latest and provide better coverage, Ubiquiti pricing is very reasonable IMO.
 
Hi mate
That all sounds like an incredible headache and way too much for what I need.
We're not running a school, you've misunderstood, I bought a former school site. But we'll be running some small scale activities there as a charity.

I'm glad you're charging tens of thousands to schools do all that headache for them pal and I hope you get many more contracts. But I'm just trying to make sure my site has some WiFi and some cameras with a minimal of fuss . I'll leave the MI5 DeepMind data centre work to professionals like you

No I was a school employee that managed the projects so didn't gain from the contracts; when you are replacing 30+AP's, have 4 NVR's, suites of PC's etc... unless you are a large MAT etc with a big ICT team you have to outsource some projects.


No MI5, all educational establishments have to follow the same safeguarding and prevent legislation to keep children / students safe but yes that includes making referals if there are concerns about a pupil.


I heard at one school an interactive board fell off a wall and landed on a child so be careful who installs your board they are VERY heavy; this board was installed by a ex LEA contractor that had been providing ICT services to schools for years...


You still need to register your CCTV:


And you still need to think about what happens if your broadband goes down for a week.


Who ever is running the charity will also be responsible if anyone uses your broadband to access or post anything illegal; I doubt a home broadband contract permits providing public WiFi for your hall its something you will need to check with the ISP.



This is why I thought Ofsted were involved they don't just inspect schools, you should still consider filtering of some sort and safeguarding training and check what the DSL and DPO requirements are for running your charity.



classroom activity

We're going to have
1 classroom
 
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As NetMan says, when there are children involved, it gets complicated. Nothing insurmountable, but you need to know what you are dealing with.

Several years at an MSP and even more as a employee.

As for the requirements, no idea about Unify stuff, I've always dealt with HPE Aruba and home brew CCTV (server, big storage and software solution like Luxriot). Way more involved than you need by the sounds of it
 
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