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fury and 4gb limiting?

shaf

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I am upgrading my card and was about to purchase a 980ti second hand but decided against it.

I've seen the Radeon Fury NITRO is on a good deal and was about to pull the trigger when I saw that it is only has 4GB RAM.

Will this be a problem?

I game at 1080p at the moment.
 
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Probably not but I'd rather have a 980ti with more VRAM and is better overall with grunt. Second hand they can be hand on the MM if you are lucky for £250. If you can stomach the extra £75-£100 just get a Palit GTX 1070 for £375.
 
if you can get a second hand 980 Ti for around £300 and preferably from EVGA for around £300 tops, then that will be a perfect card and the Ti is a much better card especially when at 1080p
 
I don't fancy paying more than £300 for a graphics card - I can afford it easily but it's a personal preference.
 
shaf said:
I am upgrading my card and was about to purchase a 980ti second hand but decided against it.

I've seen the Radeon Fury NITRO is on a good deal and was about to pull the trigger when I saw that it is only has 4GB RAM.

Will this be a problem?

I game at 1080p at the moment.
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Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
 
I wouldnt let vram decide what card you buy at 1080p, maybe look at the games you play and see how the benchmarks compare for fps. You might find the favorite game runs much better on one card than it does on the other.
 
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Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
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I have read this too but I'm a little skeptical and don't want to spend the money and find that it is limited.

Is there reason for me to be skeptical?
 
Panos said:
Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
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Correct
Check Shadow of Modor benchmark then you will see it has enough VRAM to do ultra texture easily.
 
Panos said:
Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
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4gb is 4gb whether it is on a Fury based card or an NVidia based one.

All cards use compression with memory in one way or another.

I have measured memory usage on a Fury X higher in somethings than on a Titan X and when we are talking about DX12 it is quite funny.

When comparing memory sizes it is just best to do that and leave things like compression out of it.

As to 1080p a 4gb card will be fine in most things.
 
shaf said:
I have read this too but I'm a little skeptical and don't want to spend the money and find that it is limited.

Is there reason for me to be skeptical?
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I run a Fury Tri-x and a 1080p monitor,
You'll find the odd title that requires a setting such as textures to be turned down one but as I highlighted with screenshots of ROTTR it makes a negligible difference to image quality, That particular game I believe was purposely pushed past the 4gb limit of many cards but that's a different discussion.
While the compression used for Fiji appears to be better than what was used on older cards it's not really any better than Nvidia's so don't believe it is. At the end of the day 4gb's is 4gb's not more because it's HBM.
As for the Fury at 1080p, I max 90% of every game and it is fine, I do that running the games at 1440p via vsr and get respectable frame rates that are perfectly playable.

As an example DOOM running at 1440p via vsr sits well above 150 most the time sometimes hitting as high as 190/200,
Dying light sits in the 70's or 80's most the time,

When I bought my Fury one year ago it was a toss up between it and a 980ti, Today I can honestly say I'm happy with the choice I made, It's been a great card and it continues to do a great job and I'm confident it will continue to for some time..

Having said all that if was asked would I buy a 4gb card today the answer would be No, However if I was asked would I buy a secondhand 980ti today the answer would also be No. Of the two I'd buy the Fury because it's new and I have more confidence in it going forward, however I'd be more inclined to save up a bit more and buy the cheapest non reference 1070.
 
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Panos said:
Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
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LMFAO!!! :D
 
Panos said:
Fury has 4GB HBM VRAM, with texture compression, not 4GB GDDR5.

That means effective VRAM capacity is more than 6GB GDDR5, while the VRAM is way faster than the GTX980Ti's. (there is some good research out there comparing the VRAM usage between Fury & 980Ti etc).

Now what you get, from one hand you have a second hand GTX980Ti without warranty probably, or a brand new Fury Nitro. Both will serve you well.
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It doesn't quite work as well in actuality - if you look at the frametimes you can see the Fury cards suffer stutter in some cases in high VRAM utilisation situations due to the aggressive memory management they've had to do i.e. if its say swapped out the rarely used shaders for a boss and then the boss teleports in the Fury cards stutter for a moment while a 980ti in the same situation will stay perfectly smooth.
 
At the moment, 4Gb @ 1920x1080 is adequate. Question is; For how long?
If planning to replace the monitor with a higher resolution any time soon, I wouldn't bother looking at 4Gb.

The 980Ti truly is a great card. I used one at 1920x1080 for a while before I upped to 2560x1440, and was definitely worth the £500 I spent over a year ago. It's still holding strong and given the cost, availability and performance of the 1080, I'm happy to wait for a better replacement.
 
At 4K it is limiting in a few games, but at unplayable FPS (sub 30). In terms of how many games it can keep playable FPS (35+) and use more than 4GB, you're probably looking at one title, Rise of the tomb raider. Everything else works fine, so you should have no problems at 1080P.

The limitation i found using 2x Radeon Pro Duo's is that once you start using three or four GPUs, you run into the memory limitation more frequently at maximum settings as you have the physical grunt to drive the highest settings and then some. With just one card you will have no such concern.
 
AMDMatt said:
At 4K it is limiting in a few games, but at unplayable FPS (sub 30). In terms of how many games it can keep playable FPS (35+) and use more than 4GB, you're probably looking at one title, Rise of the tomb raider. Everything else works fine, so you should have no problems at 1080P.
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Currently there's three titles where the textures push the memory usage over the Furies 4gb hbm limit @ 1080p, four if you include Forza which won't allow you to choose the highest texture setting on any card that has 4gb's or less.

I can't remember one but Rise of the Tomb Raider and Xcom 2 are two that I've used and experienced it with,
It's more important to note that the need to turn that texture setting down one has a negligible impact on the visual quality and in truth is a non issue.

Here's the screenshots I did using the texture setting on high in one and very high in the other:

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There's not enough of a visual difference to care whether it's on high or very high in my opinion plus both give me an fps that stays well above the 60 fps my 60hz monitor uses.

At 1080p having 4gb's of ram is only going to be an issue if you force it to be an issue and there is no reason too.
 
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