g80 on agp?

Slap · 13 Nov 2006 at 08:43

Is this possible?

Seems that there must still be a huge number of AGP based users out there for manufacturers to keep making top end AGP cards; or is this just a token gesture of sorts/squeezing the last pennies out of a slowly dying standard?

Anyone have any info/thoughts on this?

Cheers

S!ap (a decaying AGP user)

Dutch Guy · 13 Nov 2006 at 08:45

Possible: I guess so
Likely: I don't think so

If you can afford a 8800GTX/GTS you most likely have an up to date mobo without AGP

manoz · 13 Nov 2006 at 08:49

Some rumours and talk in this thread http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17651501&highlight=agp+g80

z0mbi3 · 13 Nov 2006 at 08:59

By keeping it pcie nvidia can practically guarantee sales of their mobo chipsets.

So I think keeping new cards on pcie is not only a way of pushing their own products to the consumer, but also forcing the consumer to get up to date.

AGP is a bit long in the tooth now, it's not like it's going to make a come back.

Slap · 13 Nov 2006 at 09:05

z0mbi3 said:
By keeping it pcie nvidia can practically guarantee sales of their mobo chipsets.

So I think keeping new cards on pcie is not only a way of pushing their own products to the consumer, but also forcing the consumer to get up to date.

AGP is a bit long in the tooth now, it's not like it's going to make a come back.

That's a good point Z.

Noxis · 13 Nov 2006 at 09:08

Whats the point in a top end gfx card for hardware that will bottleneck it? You cant run top end cpu/ram on anything other than a platform with PCI-E.

Slap · 13 Nov 2006 at 09:22

Rgr that Noxis, I see your point, but never really understood what actual difference in performance in real terms PCI-e GPU, DDR2 ram, CPU etc would make when compared to a high end AGP based system. Are we talking big differences in game play/efficiency?

z0mbi3 · 13 Nov 2006 at 09:26

Noxis said:
Whats the point in a top end gfx card for hardware that will bottleneck it? You cant run top end cpu/ram on anything other than a platform with PCI-E.

Gotta disagree with you there.

Descent 939 setups with ddr ram are far from bottlenecking graphics ability at the moment and for what I can see of the future.

I don't think we ever used all of the AGP bandwidth but that doesn't matter, we're just on to new standards.

Noxis · 13 Nov 2006 at 11:26

z0mbi3 said:
Gotta disagree with you there.

Descent 939 setups with ddr ram are far from bottlenecking graphics ability at the moment and for what I can see of the future.

I don't think we ever used all of the AGP bandwidth but that doesn't matter, we're just on to new standards.

Fastest S939 cpu is X2 4800 I believe? Even overclocked on slow motherboards (all good chipsets are pci-e) they will bottleneck a 8800 apart from a very very high resolution.... which if someone can afford a 8800 and a monitor that with that res is making a massive mistake crippling their setup with a slow system.

gurusan · 13 Nov 2006 at 11:29

The 8800GTX doesn't even function on anything lower than 16x PCI-Express...so don't get your hopes up for AGP

z0mbi3 · 13 Nov 2006 at 12:16

Noxis said:
Fastest S939 cpu is X2 4800 I believe? Even overclocked on slow motherboards (all good chipsets are pci-e) they will bottleneck a 8800 apart from a very very high resolution.... which if someone can afford a 8800 and a monitor that with that res is making a massive mistake crippling their setup with a slow system.

I'm talking about pcie chipsets.

I find it hard to believe that an x2 4800 would bottleneck a 8800.

Tute · 13 Nov 2006 at 12:26

z0mbi3 said:
I'm talking about pcie chipsets.

Where's the proof that an an x2 4800 would bottleneck a 8800?

I'm pretty sure I have seen an AGP board that WILL take Conroe (albeit with a BIOS update).

*wanders off to google*

[Edit]

There's the Asrock Dual VSATA thingy....

And this

ernysmuntz · 13 Nov 2006 at 12:32

I'd say its incredibly unlikely because the current 8800GTX cards need a PCI Express 16X slot just to run now....

Why you'd even want to on a system that old is beyond me, I think i'm scraping it on my overclocked A64 to be honest.

z0mbi3 · 13 Nov 2006 at 12:33

ernysmuntz said:
I think i'm scraping it on my overclocked A64 to be honest.

Why?

manoz · 13 Nov 2006 at 12:35

I don't think it's a question of getting a 8800gtx into an AGP socket, rather getting DX10 into AGP. It's not like DX10 needs a PCIe slot and the fastest AGP cards should be able to handle DX10 right?(if it could that is)

Dutch Guy · 13 Nov 2006 at 14:19

CPU limitation isn't that bad tbh, if your CPU can maintain a 60+fps it is good enough, sure you will never see 150+fps in a game but what it does allow you to do is use lots of AA nad AF without a performance hit.

Lanz · 13 Nov 2006 at 14:20

For sure there will be AGP DX10 cards next year. There might be G80's too, once we've had hardware refreshes etc, just like G71's found there way onto AGP after Nvidia officially said they wont make anymore AGP cards.

FreeStream · 13 Nov 2006 at 15:45

z0mbi3 said:
I'm talking about pcie chipsets.

I find it hard to believe that an x2 4800 would bottleneck a 8800.

High clocked Conroes bottleneck 8800s, so an X2 defiantly will.

X1950 Pro is the quickest AGP, I very very very much doubt it will get replaced.

z0mbi3 · 13 Nov 2006 at 21:53

Concorde Rules said:
High clocked Conroes bottleneck 8800s, so an X2 defiantly will.

Where did you get that info?

AWBbox · 13 Nov 2006 at 22:01

z0mbi3 said:
Where did you get that info?

here's some

TheInquirer said:
Performance is CPU Bound
Yes, you've read it correctly. Both GTS and GTX are maxing out the CPUs of today, and even Kentsfield and upcoming 4x4 will not have enough CPU to max out the graphics card – G80 chip just eats up all the processing power that a CPU can provide to them.

Having said this, expect fireworks with AMD's 4x4 platform once that true quad-core FX become available.

Yes, it is the Inquirer but it's tru