Games with SecuROM and SafeDisc DRM won't run under Windows 10

spudbynight · 2 Sep 2015 at 13:30

It is worth pointing out that the issue is with Securom, not the game.

The game runs fine under Windows 10, Securom doesn't.

Haggisman · 2 Sep 2015 at 15:10

SonniLombardi said:
It shouldn't be like that though.. you can't be expected to stay on the same old OS for years just to keep a game working, Windows is Windows, it's a platform that the game was designed for and therefore the fundamentals of it's core should be able to play the game that it was programmed to work on... not have issues in the future and having to use workarounds etc..

So you're saying if Microsoft decide to fundamentally change how Windows operates, then a completely unrelated software house should be obliged to implement a fix to a piece of software which is 10 years old? So what is the cut-off? If you want to play that game in 30 years (which given the number of people playing retro games is not exactly an unusual scenario) should the developer still have to fix it to work on "Windows 50"?

SonniLombardi said:
Yes but at it's core it still runs executable files no? and that will never change, I am basing it on that.

This is a very naive view of software, and shows an inherent lack of understanding.

You just have to look at the wealth of software out there which comes in x86 or x64 variants to see that it's not just as simple as "if it's an executable it should work".

Anyway, as I already posted above, in the case of STALKER, there's a perfectly easy and legal workaround: https://www.gog.com/reclaim

agnes · 2 Sep 2015 at 15:26

Why, oh why are people complaining about DRM?

It's 2015!!!!!! Move on for God's sake.

Download a no DVD exe, redeem the key on GoG, re buy the game on a digital platform for a few quid!!!

Stop finding things to complain about.

FrenchTart · 2 Sep 2015 at 15:50

agnes said:
Why, oh why are people complaining about DRM?

It's 2015!!!!!! Move on for God's sake.

Download a no DVD exe, redeem the key on GoG, re buy the game on a digital platform for a few quid!!!

Stop finding things to complain about.

Eh? Why are you struggling to understand the reasons people complaining about having to find workarounds in order to run their legitimate software - and all because of DRM implementation? You also seem to think that re-purchasing something you've already paid for should be an acceptable solution. It's hardly complaining about things for the sake of it.

linktoinsanity · 7 Sep 2015 at 13:24

Flubble said:
things like this make me want an old win98se pc again, i'd love to play the first Command and Conquer games etc without them being buggy on new OS and hardware

I have an ancient P233MMX,48MB RAM, 6GB HDD Laptop that I use now and again for this...

Only really had to use it for the odd game, most of the games I play seem to work on Windows 10 fine. (In Supcoms case only on 1 screen though).

DRM as a piracy protection is fine, what annoys me is when it then stops legitimate users from playing.

agnes · 7 Sep 2015 at 14:58

FrenchTart said:
Eh? Why are you struggling to understand the reasons people complaining about having to find workarounds in order to run their legitimate software - and all because of DRM implementation? You also seem to think that re-purchasing something you've already paid for should be an acceptable solution. It's hardly complaining about things for the sake of it.

Because the games this is an issue on are bloody old and can be found for a couple of quid.

There are work arounds that take 5 seconds to accomplish. So to moan about DRM is just for the sake of it.

It's dead stuff these days. Beating a dead horse etc etc

FrenchTart · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:06

I really don't see why you're struggling to grasp understanding the reasonable complaints people are making about DRM causing purchased products not to work. It's far from "moaning about DRM just for the sake of it".

agnes · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:11

I've grasped it, almost 10 years ago when it was an issue. But I'm simply putting over my opinion that to complain about it on such old titles is not really needed.

snowdog · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:33

dreigns said:
Seeing as most of these are from 2005 down at what point is it ok for them to drop support for this.
I'm fine with it and I own a lot of disc copys of games with this

Support is one thing.
Adding malware (DRM) that prevents you from playing games is another.

agnes · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:34

But DRM is not malware? It's simply a shoddy way of trying to stop people pirating and then 'sharing' the game with mates. It wasn't around long and it's rarely seen anymore.

FrenchTart · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:37

It's still around and is seen all the time :confused:

Disc-checking DRM may not be used but DRM itself is alive and well.

agnes · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:46

FrenchTart said:
It's still around and is seen all the time

Disc-checking DRM may not be used but DRM itself is alive and well.

I will be honest. I don't notice it as I have a internet connection, buy all my games on digital platforms and generally am connected when I want to play. If I'm not, I simply play in offline mode when I don't have any connection.

Last time I was effected by DRM was Bioshock.

FrenchTart · 7 Sep 2015 at 15:49

Me too for the most part but I've certainly had the odd issue where games have ran out of activations. For all I know some of those games could be knackered when I upgrade to Windows 10.

I guess an advantage of the Steam/Origin/etc model is that in theory support for a game should last as long as Steam/Origin exists as a platform.

snowdog · 7 Sep 2015 at 16:00

agnes said:
But DRM is not malware? It's simply a shoddy way of trying to stop people pirating and then 'sharing' the game with mates. It wasn't around long and it's rarely seen anymore.

Anything that limits you with anything on your own computer is what I consider malware. Games with that crap removed (like no cd/dvd's) are superior.

I was recently confronted with Sins of a solar empire DRM, because of some .dat or whatever file that was left from an old install I had to manually fix it and waste 15-20 min on getting a game working I legitimately bought on steam.

I ranted to the publisher ( called the people responsible for the DRM mentally impaired basically) but they pretty much wove it off with we won't be using this DRM in future games. Still, it's a point of worry, that I won't be able to get some games working I legitimately bought on steam without wasting my time on getting it working/researching the issue.

linktoinsanity · 7 Sep 2015 at 17:15

I have never managed to get Settlers 7 (Bought through Steam) to work due to DRM.

Have not bought a Ubisoft game since. (The game requires some Ubisoft tool to run, which from memory is not supported on Windows 8.1...)

Haggisman · 7 Sep 2015 at 20:20

snowdog said:
Anything that limits you with anything on your own computer is what I consider malware. Games with that crap removed (like no cd/dvd's) are superior.

I was recently confronted with Sins of a solar empire DRM, because of some .dat or whatever file that was left from an old install I had to manually fix it and waste 15-20 min on getting a game working I legitimately bought on steam.

I ranted to the publisher ( called the people responsible for the DRM mentally impaired basically) but they pretty much wove it off with we won't be using this DRM in future games. Still, it's a point of worry, that I won't be able to get some games working I legitimately bought on steam without wasting my time on getting it working/researching the issue.

Sounds like you need one of them console thingamajigs

Fiddling with/tweaking is all part of the rich PC gaming experience

FrenchTart · 7 Sep 2015 at 20:57

Having the knowledge that your purchase is broken by draconian DRM is too - but it shouldn't be.

Vonhelmet · 8 Sep 2015 at 08:21

Get a no dvd patch. No jury in the land would convict.

thecremeegg · 8 Sep 2015 at 08:50

No dvd patch is my vote too....not hard to find, and the old classic site is still running

snowdog · 8 Sep 2015 at 11:24

Haggisman said:
Sounds like you need one of them console thingamajigs

Fiddling with/tweaking is all part of the rich PC gaming experience

Nah, I refuse to buy a console that is made for gaming, I spend hours on the pc doing other things like watching series or browsing forums, only game an hour a day on average. Not to mention the inferior graphics and lack of kb+mouse support.

I like fiddling with hardware, software not, software just has to work as easily as possible. I personally don't agree with games on steam using additional DRM/Malware, but what can you do eh ?