Gaming keyboard decline: A pessimist's view

Gaming keyboards are overpriced junk, just like other PC peripherals that have that sort branding slapped on it.
 
The problem with N-Key rollover is that USB doesn't support it. You have to use the PS/2 connection instead. Most people seem to misunderstand this and think they they have N-Key rollover even when connected via USB.

My keyboard supports full N-Key rollover (it is a Filco keyboard) but since I don't really need that requirement I use it via USB which doesn't support it. I would need to use the PS/2 connector to get N-Key rollover on this keyboard.

This is untrue, I use a MaxKeyboard which has N-Key rollover via USB.

If I remember correctly it uses internally chained USB hubs to provide this, I have tested this, and it does indeed have the n-key rollover via USB.
You just need the RIGHT keyboard to do it.
 
This is untrue, I use a MaxKeyboard which has N-Key rollover via USB.

If I remember correctly it uses internally chained USB hubs to provide this, I have tested this, and it does indeed have the n-key rollover via USB.
You just need the RIGHT keyboard to do it.

This is not incorrect. The USB specification has an actual limit on the number of keys that can be held down and registered at any one time (I believe it is 6 keys down at the same time).

There might be some ways around this but this is actually in the USB specification itself. Read it if you don't believe me.

The general rule of thumb is if you want n-key rollover you need to use PS/2.
 
I have a small desk so I use an iso Poker 2 with Browns for typing and then switch over to an ansi Pok3r with reds for gaming (thought I'd try out the larger shift key, plus didn't want to wait for the iso poker 3's to come in stock).

Might get a Leopold FC660M as I miss dedicated arrow keys, or sacrifice some mouse space for a tenkeyless. Never really liked the massive gamer keyboards, though I did have a logitech g15 back in the day which served me well, now that screen on it was a fun gimmick.
 
This is not incorrect. The USB specification has an actual limit on the number of keys that can be held down and registered at any one time (I believe it is 6 keys down at the same time).

There might be some ways around this but this is actually in the USB specification itself. Read it if you don't believe me.

The general rule of thumb is if you want n-key rollover you need to use PS/2.

No. The USB standards don't say anything specific at all about keyboards or mice etc., in any version.

It's the HID standard that does. The 6-key plus modifiers report structure was only really intended to make life easy for BIOS (so they didn't have to parse report descriptors), but became a de-facto 'standard' for keyboards regardless. However, the HID standard allows for all sorts of different reports, and all major OS support it fully, so there's no need for extra drivers.

The other limitation is that a low-speed USB data packet can only be a maximum of 8 bytes. A report can be larger, but that starts taking a significant amount of time to send. The USB standard only allows a low-speed device to send one packet every 10ms (per endpoint). OS typically nudges that up to 8ms, i.e. 125Hz (without hacks). Taking up to 16ms to get a keypress to the host would be crap! So we've had a phase of makers trying to get more out of low-speed chips than they can really handle, with tricks like multiple endpoints etc. :(

Full-speed USB frees up those limitations. Each packet can be 64 bytes, and can be sent every 1ms (again, per endpoint). This allows the HID standard to be used to its full effect.

Finally, NKRO isn't done just for the sake of it. Doing full NKRO requires only one bit per key, rather than one byte, and doesn't have to treat modifiers as a special case. So a keyboard can send e.g. 104 keys in a mere 13 bytes - using the other scheme 13 bytes would only manage 11KRO (11 keys + modifiers + one reserved byte). Sure, that's still plenty of keys, but it's far less elegant a method (and still 'not-6KRO', so could still be incompatible with dumb hosts).

So basically:

ANY USB keyboard which uses
"Device Bus Speed: Full"
Should support N-Key Rollover.

Using something like USB View will show you this.

If you get "Device Bus Speed: Low" then it willb (likely) only have 6 key roll over.
 
i can fully vouch for the CM keyboards, the 2 ive had have been excellent and build quality is superb.

Id really really love the Rapid-I that they do now as a replacement for my current Rapid but the Rapid i have is fine and doesnt miss a beat.
 
I think its got off topic a bit...
Theres so many usual layout keyboards the merc stealth (the reason for his post) not being made now and no one doing a similar layout with big keys right under your thumb for jumping & crouching and 3 keys directly under your pinky for walking, running and going prone. Perfect layout for dancin round while jumping crouching laying down etc in fps.

Really big disappointment for all us merc uses to have to use a standard keyboard when the system on the merc works so much better than a typewriter (what all new keyboards are to us merc users basically).

I understand his pessimistic post. If you never owned a Merc stealth you don't know why we are so sad when they die and nothing comparable to buy to replace them.
 
Still using the Microsoft X4 for my keyboard. Last one lasted 4 years then slowly died, this spare one was bought as I liked the X4 and as its gone EOL glad I did get a second one when OcUK were kicking them out cheap.

Not sure what I will go to when this one goes.

Got one sitting here now spare, would like to sell it so it might be on MM at some point!
 
What's the cheapest option that is most similar to the TKL CM Storm Novatouch/Rapid-i?

Well, the Rapid-i is ~£90 and the Novatouch ~£150, so it depends on your price point.

Go up a few posts and look for RJK's list and links. Not much to add beyond those. CM Storm, Ducky, Das, Filco - those are what I'd look towards.
 
So will start with this: What actually makes them "gaming" keyboards?
Generally the overpriced sales tag and pritty pritty lights...

"key rollover and anti ghosting technology"
How many fingers ya got?
10?
OK, 8 and two thumbs... but that's 10 digits in total, yeh?
That's how many keys rollover you need and was only neccesary back in the Dark Ages when it's said that keyboards could only process one keypress at any given time.
The whole thing about something jumping out at you, making you flap-out and hit the wrong key, so going full-retard and dying instead of drawing your weapon and vanquishing the little blighter... That's what gaming is about!!
You do not need anti-ghosting. You just need to learn the keys better, or accept that you made a mistake and reload your savegame...

You only hit the wrong key because they are spaced so tightly together and are often forced to rush.
You only hit the wrong key because you bought a board that doesn't suit your hand. Kinda like getting cramp from a mouse.

How do 16.7 millions colours help me game more effectively?
They don't.
Twenty or so, fair enough. Maybe as many as 80 or 100.

I use 3 different colours.
Green is for most tasks, Red is for gaming in pure darkness, Dark Blue is for certain points when it's just easier to see.
All three colours were chosen based on what was easiest on my eyes at various light levels, under various circumstances. No other reason.
Also, I can adjust the brightness. Job done.

Macro keys - what do you actually use them for?
Day-to-day, I use a number of them in various apps. I have them assigned to various macros, depending on which app is open/focussed at any given time.
I thought I'd only use a few in certain games, but there too I do actually make more use than expected. A few are designed around repetitive tasks like swapping kit layouts, emptying inventories, selling loads of items, etc. I've even moved onto a couple of custom scripts for a particular flight-sim and can go through a whole 20-minute start-up procedure at the touch of a button, if I so choose.
Once upon a time I'd used all 12 macro keys and was still wanting more!

Not only because the whole idea of having to program them in each game puts me off, but seem to be placed in very inconvenient places which force you to abandon your left movement hand to reach.
Location... down to the individual, I guess. My keys are down the left side, although most of my macros are about combining a sequence of oft-used commands into one press and not normally something I'd use in the middle of tense combat. The only time I do use them in combat is RTS type games, where I can just tap the key and watch instead of trying to press several numbers in rapid succession before the enemy hits me with whatever combo their AI has automatically queued up.
Programming in complicated stuff takes a bit of time, but you usually only have to do it the once and even then, it's easy to edit.

My naga molten mouse on the other hand, have found invaluable in all of the above because it eliminates the need to take my fingers away from WASD, to reach the 1-9 numbers - it also allows for simple key binding in any game that allows it because they double as the number/numpad keys rather than an extra button I need to customize.
Strangely enough I also favour a Mouse Of Many Buttons. A Logitech G700S, in my case. If I don't have all seven extra keys bound to additional commands, I'm likely playing either a basic FPS or something like Elite, for which I have a CH HOTAS setup full of many more buttons anyway.

I want a keyboard I can use with my eyes closed so it demonstrates I can happily play fast paced games without having to worry where keys are.
My G19 is like this for me, which is what drove me to it over others.
The extra features are all added bonusses, but the basic fit to my hands was a primary deciding factor, as it should be for every HID.

Another nice feature was it had premade profiles for games where they automatically assigned a coinvinient keybinding layout for you, without having to change a single setting.
Fail for me, I'm afraid, as I like my functions consistent across genre and usually not where the majority would place them. Reload and Use are always the mouse for example, rather than E and R as per most presets.

On the G19 I typically use all three profiles, most of the 12 macro keys, media keys, keypad, backlights and the LCD display on a daily basis. I don't even mind the domed keys, as they're quieter than mechanicals (I game up to 4am) and I'm as fast with those as with Cherry switches.


The main point of Gaming peripherals is not about making your gaming better. It's about making your gaming *how* you want it. If a certain shape of mouse is more comfortable, or if having clicky clicky keys feels better under your fingers, this is what's available.
Think of it as a motorcycle - Adding a taller screen, wider seat, throttle wrist rest and backrest won't make your bike go any faster or use less fuel... but you'll probably enjoy it a heck of a lot more!

Dunno what the car equivalent is... pop-up headlights, leather steering wheel sleeve and those massagey beaded seat covers, perhaps, but the idea is the same!

Logitech: have a new mechanical switch, fine. but they have NEVER had this product in stock in the UK. ever. what is the point if you can only buy it via logitech?
If I could buy it from OCUK, I would!
I understand there's some kind of 'thing' going on there though, so won't say any more...

However, aside from the 700S which I won anyway, I've not seen anthing special come out of Logitech lately either.
 
So much choice for non bling simple mech keyboards

Noppo Choc
Leopold F750r, 900 And FC660M
Filco
Realforce
HHKB
Novatouch
V60
Varmilo
Poker
Vortex
Cherry G80
GON Korean
Model M
Maltron
KUL
Code
Unicomp

Plus a load others that I missed. All great for gaming and all simple no gimmick boards.
 
I'm going to stick with my £8 keyboard that is actually wireless unlike pretty much every gaming keyboard I have seen and my MS travel mouse :)

I get that if you spend more money you generally get a better quality of plastics etc and I look at this keyboard...

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=KB-031-CM&groupid=702&catid=2705&subcat=1258

I think hmmm, that looks nice, nice and compact but it's at least £100 overpriced and doesn't even seem to be wireless. Snake oil
 
Definitely like the look and sound of Novatouch but God only knows when I can afford that £150 beast and be able to justify the purchase to the Mrs...
 
I bought my daughter one of the Cheapo CM Storm KB & MSE set after reading this.

I know it isn't as expensive as some of the others but if a lot of them are just gaming in name then it will do for a start
 
Well I finally gave up my Z Board Merc. I bought a Corsair K65 with Cherry Reds after spending ages looking at different brands and model of keyboard. I found the K65 for a price I couldn't refuse and I'm really happy with it; it's so much nicer to use.

I also adjusted from using the gaming pad on the Merc surprisingly fast. I'm not currently playing WoW so it's not currently an issue, but I'll definately miss those extra number keys along the top at some point. I think I'll be able to compensate for this when I need to, by moving from WASD to something like TFGH.
 
I have always used Logitech as my gaming keyboards. I went from the original G15 v1 to an G510. For me it's the little LCD screen the back-light keys and the Macro keys give me everything I need.

I use a mechanical keyboard at work, and I am not that fussed over them tbh.
 
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