Gaming PC for my son for xmas

[Craig_d1]

ok, as said earlier..if you can sped 20 mins or so a day,you need to start posting to get to 1000 posts..for an example, there's a b650 tuf gaming wifi board and 7600 on offer from someone that's just upgraded to 7800x3d/b650e-e board he got on MM that will save you 120 over new..my view he still need to come down a little as he got a stonking deal on the 7800x3d package.
on other mktplace seen a b650 tomahawk board and 32gb 5200 ddr5 ram for £150(can always bargain as he hasn't sold it yet)..the mobo is £160 new so you're getting the ram for free and £10 off board..not the fastest ram, but it'll do and it's 32gb of it..or seen a b650 gaming plus wifi for £100, or a b650m aorus elite for 100...set of 32gb corsair vengeance non rgb 6000c36 for £60 so there is stuff out there
or seen whole pc...7600x cpu, b650M mobo, 32gb 6000 ram, 2tb m.2 ssd, ak400 air cooler, msi 850w psu and a 7700xt gpu...can't tell case but he wants 725...no takers so far so could probably put a bid in...he has receipts from buying the parts, and selling after 4 months as not using it
if you do find someone selling a 7600 cpu, it comes with a stock cooler so to start with, if money is tight, no need to pay extra to get another..just use the stock for awhile..it does the job
ssd, the g50 from OCuk i put above is cheap as on offer at mo and decent performance/endurance
psu( i never really skimp on this as powers everything, including all your expensive bit.. at the moment I'd go Asus tuf 850W 80 plus gold for £90. 10 yrs warranty, atx3.0 so has the connection for the new nvidia gpu's and it'll outlast the build and be good for the next one, and 850 is enough to power a 4080, so should be good for upgrades. the 750w psu is £10 cheaper to save, but might hamper new more powerful upgrades down the line
£250 will get you a 3070, a 3060ti closer to £200...just seen a strix rx6750xt triple fan card for £260(however selling it done a good job ceaning it, looks like new...no dust on it at all)
7600x...only seen one at mo for £140, 7600 for £120

so cpu 120 he's reduced already..offer 100
mobo and ram 150
1tb ssd 50..ocuk
psu 80/90....ocuk
gpu £250 (6750xt)
case 40
that'll come to £700 with a copy of windows(google how to get cheap)
too much can start lowering gpu...etc
gives you an idea
thermal paste if buying 2nd hand cpu...something like arctic mx5 or noctua nt h2(got and used both)...basically are long life pastes that are non conductive, so no chance of putting too much on and creating a short somewhere...paste good enought that once applied should last the pc lifetime or till you upgrade..nt h2 been used on my 5800x cpu for just shy of 4yrs no problem

 

[Dean037]

Hi everyone , right I have been having a look around and I think a AM5 Build will be pushing the budget a bit much. So unfortunately going to have to be AM4.

Also don't have time to look for all the parts etc as working 12
hour shifts, and not on certain sites to even look. I understand 2nd hand I would get a lot more for money but don't really want second hand want new so brand new and boxed for him and have warranty etc.

I also understand that AM5 would be the best way to go to future proof however it is my sons first ever gaming pc so if lasts him a couple of years then when he is 14/15 we can spec and build him a better one from there if used etc as I expect.

Will the AM4 systems listed play the likes of total war and gta and skyline cities 2 and other city builders on high setting ?

And is the radeoom rx6600 a great card for the am4 system

Sorry to waste some of your time I thought I may be able to stretch budget but after thinking about it won't be able to. Really appreciate time and effort thanks again.

Thanks dean

 

[Tetras]

And is the radeoom rx6600 a great card for the am4 system

It is the best budget 1080p card (new) that you can buy right now. The cards slower than the 6600 (like the 6400/6500 XT) are already struggling with some of the newer games out now, so they're not a good long-term buy. Big reviewers like hardware unboxed have considered it the baseline for awhile, so it is not just me saying it. It also has relatively low power consumption (around ~130 watts), which is a helpful trait for a budget PC that you can't afford to buy a great PSU.

 

[Gray2233]

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D2-AM) = £119.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B550M DS3H (AMD AM4) B550 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BR-GI) = £89.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3600 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit (CMK32GX4M2Z3600C18) (SKU: MY-4CL-CS) = £49.99
• 1 x be quiet! SYSTEM POWER 10 650W 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply (SKU: CA-14V-BQ) = £54.95
• 1 x PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 Fighter 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1AD-PC) = £179.98
• 1 x Team Group G50 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-TMG-03131) = £47.99
• 1 x Aerocool Bolt Mini TG Micro-ATX case - black (SKU: CA-234-AE) = £24.95

Total: £567.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

There's savings to be had here and there, but they're so minor you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you want to buy everything from one outlet.

The 5600 comes with a HSF.

If you can push another £30 I'd go for a better case, especially if your son likes a little bling, the Antec CX500M is an excellent option for £55.

 

[Dean037]

Would that card play the games I said like skyline cities 2 and gta and total war and city builders at high ok ?

Also I will look around but to be fair OCuk has some great offers currently.

Will the 5700x3d be a better cpu than the 5600 ?

I have decided on case and was going to buy the Asus tuff 850w psu to be safe , alsomg woth the g50 2tb ssd so has plenty storage. Was also thinking would 2x16gb corsair vengeance be better than just 2x8gb

Just seen them antech case that is very nice , thinking that or kolink observatory

Thanks dean

 

[Gray2233]

Would that card play the games I said like skyline cities 2 and gta and total war and city builders at high ok ?

Also I will look around but to be fair OCuk has some great offers currently.

Will the 5700x3d be a better cpu than the 5600 ?

I have decided on case and was going to buy the Asus tuff 850w psu to be safe , alsomg woth the g50 2tb ssd so has plenty storage. Was also thinking would 2x16gb corsair vengeance be better than just 2x8gb

Thanks dean

Should run them fine within reason, the stock versions anyway. The city builders you've mentioned are popular with the mod community, and some of those mods can potentially place a lot more strain on your hardware.

It's a solid build regardless, should run anything out at decent settings at 1080P.

If you pick up a 5700X3D for £130ish it's a huge difference, especially with sim/city builder type games, if anything they tend to favour the CPU more than the GPU. The X3D chips have more L3 cache, which is heavily favoured by certain games, some of those you've listed are among them.

PS: The RAM listed in my build is 2x16gb, and the beQuiet while cheap for a 650W is a decent PSU, I'd never recommend a bad power supply, it's a pet peeve of mine.

 

[Tetras]

Would that card play the games I said like skyline cities 2 and gta and total war and city builders at high ok ?

Your budget isn't really big enough to buy something better, so it is kind of academic, it either does or you're stuffed

On a more serious note, Skylines 2 is a demanding game and especially if you play games like that for a long period it'll eat up your hardware (particularly RAM). You can change the settings to make it easier to run at a comfortable FPS.

GTA 5 is easy for a 6600, not a problem. Total War, which one? There are lots.

The easiest way to see what you can get is to just look on YouTube, e.g. "Skylines 2, RX 6600, 1080p", but watch more than one video because a lot of them are just randoms rather than reputable channels and I have no idea how many you can trust versus how many you can't.

 

[Dean037]

It will be fine for my son I am sure, will go for the 5700x3d processor as want best possible system for budget.

Also you think it's woth getting the larger 850w psu for the build over a 650w psu ?

You not think I will need a cpu heatsink at all ?

Going to order some bits now like the case psu, 2tb g50 ssd, gpu as good price here.

Thanks dean

 

[Gray2233]

It will be fine for my son I am sure, will go for the 5700x3d processor as want best possible system for budget.

Also you think it's woth getting the larger 850w psu for the build over a 650w psu ?

You not think I will need a cpu heatsink at all ?

Going to order some bits now like the case psu, 2tb g50 ssd, gpu as good price here.

Thanks dean

Given your budget I'd say the 650W beQuiet is going to be fine, the 5700X3D does not come with a heatsink but you can pick up a Thermalright Assassin King 120SE for around £15 and it'll be ample for the chip.

I'm running one on a 5800X3D (albeit with a -30 PBO offset) andit's fine, the 5700X3D runs cooler.

 

[Tetras]

Also you think it's woth getting the larger 850w psu for the build over a 650w psu ?

The TUF Gold is a strong PSU with a 10 year warranty, comparable in build quality to A-tier units and capable of handling pretty much any PC (including high-end), but for your budget it is better than I'd expect to fit and a PSU doesn't add performance, whereas if you have to cut corners elsewhere (like a lesser CPU or half the RAM) you will definitely notice that.

 

[Dean037]

OK the 650w will be fine, I will sort that next week and order cpu motherboard and psu and heatsink.

Ordering case, ssd, ram , gpu now. Don't supply codes for delivery etc is there that you know of.

Thanks dean

 

[Craig_d1]

OK the 650w will be fine, I will sort that next week and order cpu motherboard and psu and heatsink.

Ordering case, ssd, ram , gpu now. Don't supply codes for delivery etc is there that you know of.

Thanks dean

link your forum account to account you set up for the shop..you have over 100 posts so as you're buying a few bits, delivery s/b free

 

[Dean037]

link your forum account to account you set up for the shop..you have over 100 posts so as you're buying a few bits, delivery s/b free

Thanks for that didn't relise had to link account, or had been a while as my address etc was also missing. Thanks again, will let you know how I get on ordering the rest mid week.

Thanks dean

 

[sx_turbo]

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x AMD Ryzen 5 5600 Six Core 4.4GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail (SKU: CP-3D2-AM) = £119.99
• 1 x Gigabyte B550M DS3H (AMD AM4) B550 Micro-ATX Motherboard (SKU: MB-5BR-GI) = £89.99
• 1 x Corsair Vengeance LPX Black 32GB (2x16GB) 3600 MHz AMD Ryzen Tuned DDR4 Memory Dual Kit (CMK32GX4M2Z3600C18) (SKU: MY-4CL-CS) = £49.99
• 1 x be quiet! SYSTEM POWER 10 650W 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply (SKU: CA-14V-BQ) = £54.95
• 1 x PowerColor Radeon RX 6600 Fighter 8GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1AD-PC) = £179.98
• 1 x Team Group G50 1TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive (SKU: STO-TMG-03131) = £47.99
• 1 x Aerocool Bolt Mini TG Micro-ATX case - black (SKU: CA-234-AE) = £24.95

Total: £567.84 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

There's savings to be had here and there, but they're so minor you'd be doing yourself a disservice if you want to buy everything from one outlet.

The 5600 comes with a HSF.

If you can push another £30 I'd go for a better case, especially if your son likes a little bling, the Antec CX500M is an excellent option for £55.

I'd be tempted to put the extra money on a 2tb card instead of the case, I know from my own experience with my son in a series X and me on pc 1tb fills up pdq these days.

 

[Gray2233]

I'd be tempted to put the extra money on a 2tb card instead of the case, I know from my own experience with my son in a series X and me on pc 1tb fills up pdq these days.

That's fair, but I think if buying for a young lad he'd probably appreciate the better looking build.

Adding extra storage down the line is extremely easy, changing case is an almighty faff.

 

[Craig_d1]

That's fair, but I think if buying for a young lad he'd probably appreciate the better looking build.

Adding extra storage down the line is extremely easy, changing case is an almighty faff.

not sure on that though get where you're coming from (i like a nice case as it's the part you look at all the time and physically touch)
...but the xsx is a royal pain only 1tb, so either ssd or I'd spend it on the better psu..fully modular, 10yrs warranty etc When above build needs updating in a few years, what can be taken from it...bronze 650W psu might not be enough if getting a better system. The better psu may still have 7/6yrs warranty and still be good with 850W so should still be good for a much more powerful gpu. m.2 ssd also. It's decent and would def come along
rest of it, not really...you can't say drop a 5700x3d or something in 3yrs down the line, it'll just be too old.. if a 7800x3d is 25% faster than a 5800x3d, and the 9800x3d is 11% faster than the 7800x3d, that makes the 9800x3d 39% faster than the 5800x3d today...in 3/4 years, I'm sure the price of a current gen x3d will be a lot lower...you'd be going for one of those....and we'd prob be on am6 by then maybe...am4 will be relegated again and probably be given to gfrandparents etc that need to do a bit of websurfing and online shopping
mind you, seeing as i bought a 5600 a couple months back for £50, that is one thing that you could do...£70 saving there off the bat...and the cpu's something you never see, so think 2nd hand should be ok
or to be fair, leave as is...if pc isn't really that upgradeable in future, sell it as a going concern and use the cash to fund a new build

got me looking £120 for the 5600 is steep..only £45 less than i saw a 7600 a week ago. you can get for £103 with free delivery quick look (new)...quick look also seen the corsair cx750 psu (compromise over the 650, but still bronze and semi modular, but the extra 100w buffer might be useful)...free delivery £57.71 so only £3 more than the be quiet or a brand new rm750e for £70, or an openned, not used rm750 same price


but a nice case too...urrg, so hard deciding where to put the money. that kolink observatory case @danlightbulb put in isn't that bad looking...2 rgb front 140mm fans and 3 120mm in top too...compromise between the £25 and the £55 case, being halfway between the 2. and swap to the asus tuf b550 plus wifi II...that's a good board, and it has wifi, which the gigabyte board doesn't...don't know if OP needs that or not., if it's for the kid might be going in the bedroom or somewhere not hooked up to lan line..also got the observatory lite mesh for £42

 

[Gray2233]

not sure on that though get where you're coming from (i like a nice case as it's the part you look at all the time and physically touch)
...but the xsx is a royal pain only 1tb, so either ssd or I'd spend it on the better psu..fully modular, 10yrs warranty etc When above build needs updating in a few years, what can be taken from it...bronze 650W psu might not be enough if getting a better system. The better psu may still have 7/6yrs warranty and still be good with 850W so should still be good for a much more powerful gpu. m.2 ssd also. It's decent and would def come along
rest of it, not really...you can't say drop a 5700x3d or something in 3yrs down the line, it'll just be too old.. if a 7800x3d is 25% faster than a 5800x3d, and the 9800x3d is 11% faster than the 7800x3d, that makes the 9800x3d 39% faster than the 5800x3d today...in 3/4 years, I'm sure the price of a current gen x3d will be a lot lower...you'd be going for one of those....and we'd prob be on am6 by then maybe...am4 will be relegated again and probably be given to gfrandparents etc that need to do a bit of websurfing and online shopping
mind you, seeing as i bought a 5600 a couple months back for £50, that is one thing that you could do...£70 saving there off the bat...and the cpu's something you never see, so think 2nd hand should be ok
or to be fair, leave as is...if pc isn't really that upgradeable in future, sell it as a going concern and use the cash to fund a new build

got me looking £120 for the 5600 is steep..only £45 less than i saw a 7600 a week ago. you can get for £103 with free delivery quick look (new)...quick look also seen the corsair cx750 psu (compromise over the 650, but still bronze and semi modular, but the extra 100w buffer might be useful)...free delivery £57.71 so only £3 more than the be quiet or a brand new rm750e for £70, or an openned, not used rm750 same price


but a nice case too...urrg, so hard deciding where to put the money. that kolink observatory case @danlightbulb put in isn't that bad looking...2 rgb front 140mm fans and 3 120mm in top too...compromise between the £25 and the £55 case, being halfway between the 2. and swap to the asus tuf b550 plus wifi II...that's a good board, and it has wifi, which the gigabyte board doesn't...don't know if OP needs that or not., if it's for the kid might be going in the bedroom or somewhere not hooked up to lan line..also got the observatory lite mesh for £42

OP's budget is really tight for his needs tbh, you're always going to have to compromise somewhere unfortunately.

You can get the 5700X3D right now for £120-130, at which point I'd say it makes AM4 a very viable budget solution even in the face of AM5. It's going to be a tight window though, seems like AM4 motherboards are starting to dry up and DDR4 might not be far behind.

AM5 is due to get support until 2026-2027 minimum, personally I'd go for a sub £100 7500F (it's a tiny bit slower than the 7600) simply to get on a more future proof platform, but given where you need to buy from to get that sort of price I can see why others are wary.

 

[Dean037]

Thanks for all that, I already ordered the antec case as agree it will be a lot about looks for my son and for him to show off and that case looks great, also ordered the 2tb ssd as wasn't much more, also got gpu and corsair vengeance ram 32gb as has rgb so he will like that. I am aware may be slightly over budget but he will love it and be a great first gaming pc for him.

When I am off I will look for cpu and motherboard and psu and heatsink.

Thanks again great help.
Dean

 

[Gray2233]

Thanks for all that, I already ordered the antec case as agree it will be a lot about looks for my son and for him to show off and that case looks great, also ordered the 2tb ssd as wasn't much more, also got gpu and corsair vengeance ram 32gb as has rgb so he will like that. I am aware may be slightly over budget but he will love it and be a great first gaming pc for him.

When I am off I will look for cpu and motherboard and psu and heatsink.

Thanks again great help.
Dean

I think putting myself into a young lads mindset I'd absolutely appreciate the bling factor, and it's a gorgeous case for the price tbh.

 

[Dean037]

Also I will need WiFi for my board as no hardwires yet but getting house rewire soon and will be eventually.

Thanks dean