Garage working until after midnight and keeping us awake!

[Greebo]

So what if they know who the individual is?

How can they make life difficult, without strengthening the OPs case even more?

For the life of me I cant understand societies reluctance to communicate on a personal level.

Because people in power can easily if they want. He could range from accidentally blocking my property on occasions, refusing to serve me fuel (its the only garage in the village) to putting in objections when I apply for planning permission etc.

Trust me, in a village like ours, neighborly fallout can escalate very quickly!

 

[BuffetSlayer]

So what if they know who the individual is?

How can they make life difficult, without strengthening the OPs case even more?

For the life of me I cant understand societies reluctance to communicate on a personal level.

Dealings with problem neighnours can be stressful and quite threatening / intimidating.

You come to leave for work and your tyres are all flat. Or your car has been keyed. Or you start to find cars parked within a hairs breadth of your dropped kerb.

You find deliveries go missing if postie or courier gets neighbour to sign for it.

Like it or not, these are the kind of antic some people get up to because they have a problem with authority and/or basic lack of courtesy for the people around them.

These guys are already demonstrating such behaviour and it would not suprise me that if they are already this brazen they may escalate their anti social behaviour when challenged by a "nosey neighbour".

 

[Richdog]

So what if they know who the individual is?

How can they make life difficult, without strengthening the OPs case even more?

For the life of me I cant understand societies reluctance to communicate on a personal level.

If you can't understand how a grievance such as this can escalate, potentially going from noise complaint to prolonged council action, factoring in that the people in the garage clearly have antisocial tendencies, then you clearly lack some basic emotional intelligence.

 

[Kyo]

Dealings with problem neighnours can be stressful and quite threatening / intimidating.

You come to leave for work and your tyres are all flat. Or your car has been keyed. Or you start to find cars parked within a hairs breadth of your dropped kerb.

You find deliveries go missing if postie or courier gets neighbour to sign for it.

Like it or not, these are the kind of antic some people get up to because they have a problem with authority and/or basic lack of courtesy for the people around them.

These guys are already demonstrating such behaviour and it would not suprise me that if they are already this brazen they may escalate their anti social behaviour when challenged by a "nosey neighbour".

100% Correct, from past experience to my expense. i thought having a reasonable adult conversation with a "troubled" neighbour to work out issues would be constructive way forward. In reality, it soon decended to my car getting mysteriously keyed and other types of "accidents". Council is definitely the way to go imo. Goes through formally and keeps you out of trouble. Getting a petition if other neighbours feel the same way can really help too.!!

 

[~Divine~Wind~]

Go have a word. They won't know they're bothering people if they are not told.

100% this

 

[nick.lidgett]

If you can't understand how a grievance such as this can escalate, potentially going from noise complaint to prolonged council action, factoring in that the people in the garage clearly have antisocial tendencies, then you clearly lack some basic emotional intelligence.

Don't be so soft,

Like I said before, there is no harm in going over and politely conversing about the issues and coming up with a compromise that keeps both parties happy.

The ability to converse and negotiate with strangers without getting confrontational is not difficult and scary.

Of course if you go over shouting and swearing and being and idiot you run the risk of making things worse, so just be nice.

Nobody is going to slash tyres, scratch cars etc if you're reasonable and those that do are very few and far between.

I cant imagine a local councilor wanting to get involved in anything like that anyway.

Saying I lack "emotional intelligence" what ever that is supposed to be is a bit odd. If i was too flip that around to suit my argument I could say "then you clearly lack balls"

 

[Richdog]

Don't be so soft,

Like I said before, there is no harm in going over and politely conversing about the issues and coming up with a compromise that keeps both parties happy.

The ability to converse and negotiate with strangers without getting confrontational is not difficult and scary.

Of course if you go over shouting and swearing and being and idiot you run the risk of making things worse, so just be nice.

Nobody is going to slash tyres, scratch cars etc if you're reasonable and those that do are very few and far between.

I cant imagine a local councilor wanting to get involved in anything like that anyway.

Saying I lack "emotional intelligence" what ever that is supposed to be is a bit odd. If i was too flip that around to suit my argument I could say "then you clearly lack balls"

No-one said conversing with strangers is in itself scary, or that you have to go over shouting and swearing, that is simply your e-tough guy persona talking. What I and others are saying is that these guys clearly already know that they are making noise, working on vehicles with heavy machinery at unsociable hours and then driving them fast and loudly past houses late at night, and they don't care... you would have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. If the OP goes over and talks to them politely, and they politely tell him to get lost, or don't stop the noise, then when the OP inevitably escalates it to the council they will immediately tag him as the person who has done so and potentially resent him for that as the situation escalates.

Of course, a quick and friendly chat could sort it out. However, as many of us with some life experience behind us know, it can also go the other way. Reporting it via official channels, when he has every legal right to, means he avoids all of that potential drama, especially when he lives so close by.

I also find it rather amusing that people think that a person only has to resort to something as crude slashing tyres or keying people's cars to make life more awkward for them, because I assure you that there are many more subtle and fully legal ways for someone with a large presence in the local community to make life uncomfortable for someone.

 

[monkeyspank]

Lots of naivety in this thread, it's quite sweet

 

[nick.lidgett]

No-one said conversing with strangers is in itself scary, or that you have to go over shouting and swearing, that is simply your e-tough guy persona talking. What I and others are saying is that these guys clearly already know that they are making noise, working on vehicles with heavy machinery at unsociable hours and then driving them fast and loudly past houses late at night, and they don't care... you would have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. If the OP goes over and talks to them politely, and they politely tell him to get lost, or don't stop the noise, then when the OP inevitably escalates it to the council they will immediately tag him as the person who has done so and potentially resent him for that as the situation escalates.

Of course, a quick and friendly chat could sort it out. However, as many of us with some life experience behind us know, it can also go the other way. Reporting it via official channels, when he has every legal right to, means he avoids all of that potential drama, especially when he lives so close by.

I also find it rather amusing that people think that a person only has to resort to something as crude slashing tyres or keying people's cars to make life more awkward for them, because I assure you that there are many more subtle and fully legal ways for someone with a large presence in the local community to make life uncomfortable for someone.

OK chap

 

[Kyo]

No-one said conversing with strangers is in itself scary, or that you have to go over shouting and swearing, that is simply your e-tough guy persona talking. What I and others are saying is that these guys clearly already know that they are making noise, working on vehicles with heavy machinery at unsociable hours and then driving them fast and loudly past houses late at night, and they don't care... you would have to be extremely naive to think otherwise. If the OP goes over and talks to them politely, and they politely tell him to get lost, or don't stop the noise, then when the OP inevitably escalates it to the council they will immediately tag him as the person who has done so and potentially resent him for that as the situation escalates.

Of course, a quick and friendly chat could sort it out. However, as many of us with some life experience behind us know, it can also go the other way. Reporting it via official channels, when he has every legal right to, means he avoids all of that potential drama, especially when he lives so close by.

I also find it rather amusing that people think that a person only has to resort to something as crude slashing tyres or keying people's cars to make life more awkward for them, because I assure you that there are many more subtle and fully legal ways for someone with a large presence in the local community to make life uncomfortable for someone.

Spot on!! that is exactly what happened to me. When it had gone down the formal channel route and the neighbours collectively made a petition, I was immediately targeted as the instigator of the whole thing due to my previous "conversation" with him. Having the police involved didnt help matters either as the vandalism was blatently the neighbour as they had motive but with no witness or proof they could not do anything about it at all. It was really fustrating that it decended to that level of drama over a relatively small issue about parking.