Gay People Against Gay Marriage

[Castiel]

Ancient Greeks did not get married, they had homosexual relations but it was never formalised as married.

Has it though?, or has it just occurred historically between "man & women", that's if you want to ignore the whole ancient Greek homosexuality thing (an era in which we get most of our basic moral & ethical principles from)

Ancient Greeks certainly did get married and it was a fundamental part of their social structure, highly formalised and steeped in tradition and symbolism.

Homosexuality in ancient Greece was not quite the same as we would term such today either, the most common and the generally accepted form of homosexuality in Ancient Greece was in fact Pederasty, something which is illegal in most countries today. Adult homosexual relationships in Greece also had social stigma attached to them, particularly for the less dominant partner and always formed a Dominant-Passive relationship rather than one of equals, with the masculine partner being the dominant one and the feminine one having the social stigma attached to them. While the Pederastic relationships were formalised and could be considered a form of marriage, they were temporary, ending when the boy was 17. Adult homosexual relationships did not have the same formal standing as heterosexual ones.

However the Romans did perform same-sex marriage unions, however once again they did not have any formal legal status and were not considered the equal of heterosexual marriage. (it was considered on the same lines as a relationship with a slave, with one partner being the dominant one)

While homosexuality was considered in a far more liberal way, particularly amongst the higher social classes in Ancient Greece, it still was not as accepted and commonplace as some would like us to believe and is not really a comparison to what we are heading toward today, with equality under law.

 

[Edrof]

Having children is a very important part of your life, maybe more so than being with someone you are sexually attracted to and for that reason I think gay marriage is a bad idea.

(yes you can adopt etc but it isn't the same).

For many people, procreation is not a part of marriage. It certainly is not a requirement. Lots of married couples decide not to have or adopt children for a variety of reasons.

Ancient Greeks did not get married, they had homosexual relations but it was never formalised as married.

I'm pretty sure that the Athenian and Spartan poleis (at the very least) had formalised marriage.

Im confused by the OP title and his post?

Why? I'll explain more clearly if I can. The title is taken from the BBC article linked.

 

[HardwareGeek]

Just another example of the church pee'ing in the wind!

The church cannot fight progress, always tries and always loses.

 

[campbell]

Am I the only one who thinks it would be pretty awesome to have two dads instead of a mum and a dad?

Its true! Jesus had 2 dads and turned out just fine!

 

[Moothead2]

What like civil partnership which we've had for ages?

I've always been under the impression that Civil Partnerships gave them the same rights as married people too. Honestly, if they do then I really don't see why they care so much about what is essentially a title. Then again, if they want it give them it, it doesn't affect me so who cares.

 

[Edrof]

Its true! Jesus had 2 dads and turned out just fine!

Oh my, that is brilliant sir. Brilliant.

 

[weringo]

What like civil partnership which we've had for ages?

I said the "exact same rights", which is not the case for civil partnerships. Granted they're very similar, but differences do exist.

Edit: and my point anyway was, is sports_brah happy for gay couples to enjoy the exact same rights as straight couples, but not be able to infringe on the title of "marriage"

 

[Moothead2]

I said the "exact same rights", which is not the case for civil partnerships. Granted they're very similar, but differences do exist.

Such as? Not trying to be a ****, just genuinely interested.

 

[hurfdurf]

Having children is a very important part of your life, maybe more so than being with someone you are sexually attracted to and for that reason I think gay marriage is a bad idea.

(yes you can adopt etc but it isn't the same).

So because of how important having children is to you as an individual, people who cannot have kids (which is something entirely separate from marriage, as, people can have kids outside of marriage), including gay people who cannot procreate, but also including infertile couples, should not be able to get married?

What idiocy. You should be ashamed of yourself.

 

[hurfdurf]

Just out of interest, how would you feel if gay couples were allowed the exact same rights as straight people in terms of getting married, but a gay marriage was in fact called something else, let's say "narriage"?

Separate but equal does not work.

 

[ps3ud0]

Why? I'll explain more clearly if I can. The title is taken from the BBC article linked.

Sorry I completely missed the link, though it doesnt alter my views, I do think while Im completely indifferent about gay marriage, Im not sure I feel as indifferent about gay parenting.

Why, I dno, not a topic Ive really mulled over before

ps3ud0

 

[Castiel]

Marriage/legal Union rights should be equal....however the current legislation being passed is not equal...it discriminates against heterosexual couples.

 

[hurfdurf]

Marriage/legal Union rights should be equal....however the current legislation being passed is not equal...it discriminates against heterosexual couples.

How so?

 

[FoxEye]

I'd like to know at what point gay people will be happy to be gay, and not need to let everybody know how gay they are.

Seriously... will we ever get there? I doubt it. There will always be gay pride marches, gay nightclubs, gay this, gay that, even if they get everything they want.

It does get ridiculous tho when they start having gay guilds in World of Warcraft, gay sports teams, and want to elect gay MPs to represent them.

Seriously. Gay people say we shouldn't discriminate, but they seem to think being gay means they have unique requirements to the rest of humanity.

 

[gillywibble]

Religious bigotry is the worst kind of bigotry.

 

[hurfdurf]

I'd like to know at what point gay people will be happy to be gay, and not need to let everybody know how gay they are.

Seriously... will we ever get there? I doubt it. There will always be gay pride marches, gay nightclubs, gay this, gay that, even if they get everything they want.

It does get ridiculous tho when they start having gay guilds in World of Warcraft, gay sports teams, and want to elect gay MPs to represent them.

Seriously. Gay people say we shouldn't discriminate, but they seem to think being gay means they have unique requirements to the rest of humanity.

Hurrdee durrrrrrr why cant we have white history month and white policemans club?!

 

[Castiel]

How so?

It retains the civil partnership option but does not extend it to heterosexual couples who may wish to legalise their union without the formal structures associated with marriage.

 

[Tefal]

I think the furore around the whole issue of "homosexual marriage" is that it is the homosexual community trying to "normalise" themselves. They don't seem to realise that just because people are different that it is a bad thing.

they are normal.

A man having relations with a woman is completely different to a man having relations with a man or a woman with a woman. Not saying that one is necessarily more right (though reproduction etc it can easily be argued), just that they are different.

in what way different? from.my experience there's very little difference, except that man -man usually has less game.playing and more honesty

 

[PooBrain]

None at all.

along with the church attempting to claim marriage as an exclusively religious ceremony (when in reality it's existed longer than Christianity if I recall correctly).

Was it marriage that pre-dates Christianity or was it just some other bonding ritual? Remember not all of them share the same values as Marriage when it comes to family, breeding etc etc.

 

[PooBrain]

Religious bigotry is the worst kind of bigotry.

No social liberal bigotry is.