Caporegime
GDPR - The first complaints are in!!
What do you mean that Google arnt as bad? I tried to create another Youtube account and had to have a Google account, can't have a google account without them calling you/attaching the account to a phone number.
Also google has traking by location which you cant turn off and they both have ads.
What I am saying is Google’s business model is to serve you with targeted advertisements in exchange for a service. If you don’t want the targeted adds you shouldn’t have any recourse, right or even expect to be able to use the service.
But with your specific example you don’t actually need an account to use the basic features of YouTube. If you want the more advanced features it’s reasonable to expect Google to monetise you, especially if you don’t want to hand over any money.
It’s not like Facebook or Google have ever hidden what they are doing with your data and are mostly very open about it.
It’s perfectly reasonable for them to take a take it or leave it stance. Either accept the conditions and use the service or don’t use it. You as an individual to make a free choice about it. You are not going to miss anything if you don’t have a Facebook account.
But that's kind of the point, you should be able to say no, I don't want that, but I would still like to use your service. And that is one of the points GDPR aims to make.
But why should a private company have to offer you a service if they don’t receive remuneration? That’s a complete contradiction to the way our society has worked for hundreds of years.
It’s not a public service. If you want a public service then the EU should create their own Google competitor for EU citizens to use. The thought of that gives me a the creeps frankly.
It's not actually difficult to avoid Google services, or even use them by proxy without the data harvesting (eg Startpage). The only sticky wicket in the present moment is YouTube, which would have course require the content creators to shift platform. You don't need an account to watch YT videos though, so it's not much of a problem. I just self-host everything except search. I actively avoid Google these days.
Are all of the companies sending the GDPR emails today in breach of this? I thought it was effective from midnight, yet im still getting emails through from companies. Just had a GDPR update one from 365games and a Just Eat advert one.
Caporegime
Depends on what your consent status is, you could be currently marketable under current rules like legitimate interest, but that could expire next month and they want to refresh consent. Or isit just the privacy policy updates which aren't really restricted by GDPR as they are service emails.
Caporegime
7 from ocuk now... lol
GDPR seems to be a long term attempt to get things under control, not an immediate fine for being a few hours too late. I've heard (?) that at present the ICO only employs 12 people to monitor and police GDPR - could be a load of rubbish, but there are only ~250 people employed at the firm across the board according to the iffy accuracy of LinkedIn.
This is precisely why the EU is desirable, the biggest country in the union is Germany i believe, if it had tried to do this alone and the likes of google, apple and amazon etc disagreed, it'd only lose ~100m customers potentially.
Now imagine 500m customers instead, that's a much bigger loss of revenue, the problem for google and amazon specifically is that their customers are far more important as vehicles for revenue generation, so no we can't really fine these American companies, but we can sort of do it by threatening to reduce their revenue by such a huge chunk, that they have no choice but to fall in line.
China is even better at this because of it's size and singular direction, Google can't even penetrate it and has tried various times, so it's other markets are ultimately more important, because they have markets that they can't even enter.
Now imagine 500m customers instead, that's a much bigger loss of revenue, the problem for google and amazon specifically is that their customers are far more important as vehicles for revenue generation, so no we can't really fine these American companies, but we can sort of do it by threatening to reduce their revenue by such a huge chunk, that they have no choice but to fall in line.
China is even better at this because of it's size and singular direction, Google can't even penetrate it and has tried various times, so it's other markets are ultimately more important, because they have markets that they can't even enter.
Soldato
If a company if offering a prize to subscribe to a newsletter doesn't that go against gdpr guidelines? Just noticed games workshop are offering something
They can still deliver ads to you on their service, they just can't collect your data without your consent. Anonymised data, on the other hand is just fine. It's psuedonymous or personal data that is the problem. So you'd just get less relevant ads.
I believe so it was mentioned in the GDPR post for OCUK
"Freely given, without coercion, undue incentives or a penalty for refusal. Where consent is a condition of a subscription, consent must be demonstrable."
I am currently unsubscribing from every single email that lands in my inbox, specially OCUK sadly!
Caporegime
Ive not had any GDPR e-mails 
I would be more interested to see how many people would opt in to have their data collected for advertising or instead pay to use Facebook, Whatsapp, Google and Instagram. Imagine the money gained from monthly subscription fees for any of these services!
Soldato
sorry to hijack a thread but figured i'd ask in here rather than start a new one. does anyone know what the rules are about sharing customer information internally with staff? I assume this would be ok, for instance a customer books with us, the information is given to staff including address, name, email, a mobile number, as these are needed for the work to take place. Would i need consent from the customer to do this as it's within our business and not shared with anyone else.
Wanna bet such an organisation doesn t use any financial services based in the EU?