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Geforce Titan rumours.

Between you and me, they are not guaranteed to lower temps, potentially trapping heat from the board, best solution is some cool air across the board.

Biggest asset of backplate is protecting and stiffening the board ;)

While I agree with you, they generally do offer better cooling as its added surface area, still I wouldn't expect to see exposed memory chips on a £1000 card.

The cooler looks pretty well made, should be pretty effective, slightly surprised it appears to only be 6 phase VRM, should be pretty low power but probably crippled voltage control.

Edit: could be a 6+2 vrm setup.
 
A post from Videocardz indicates that waterblocks maker “EK” has already set up a waterblock poll over at their thinkcell domain for the upcoming GeForce GTX Titan. You can vote from three waterblock designs, the one that gets the most votes would end up sitting on top of the GeForce GTX Titan bare PCB for better cooling.

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Looks like EK at least have their hands on the PCB layout :)

Edit: Would appear the Tesla the Titan is based on also has rear VRAM with no backplate etc...

Edit 2: Higher res image of the card
 
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Given the current evidence, it seems titan won't ship with a backplate. However it's unlike evga to not make an aftermarket backplate for cards these days, but will they make a backplate for a limited edition card?
 
While I agree with you, they generally do offer better cooling as its added surface area, still I wouldn't expect to see exposed memory chips on a £1000 card.

The cooler looks pretty well made, should be pretty effective, slightly surprised it appears to only be 6 phase VRM, should be pretty low power but probably crippled voltage control.

Edit: could be a 6+2 vrm setup.

Yes I could not quite make out whether that's a 2 phase regulator in the center either, the little daughter board looks like a 680 voltage control board.
 
If EK are making blocks i'm sure they will have plates as well.
Hopefully 00:00 we get a spam load of reviews and news about the card :D

Couple of minutes later Gibbo comes and posts a preorder price in the Graphics card section :D :D
 
The first generation Kepler GPUs were the GK100 and GK104. The GK100 was cancelled and the second generation GK110 was brought forward. Geforce Titan is GK110 based.

Well, I don't think so. The GK110 was been specifically designed for the Tesla market. It's still first generation, just like the GK104. You can read about it in the GK110 whitepaper. It's based on the exact same architecture, just heavily modified for compute. It ain't second generation, sorry.
 
Well, I don't think so. The GK110 was been specifically designed for the Tesla market. It's still first generation, just like the GK104. You can read about it in the GK110 whitepaper. It's based on the exact same architecture, just heavily modified for compute. It ain't second generation, sorry.

Sorry,but I updated the GK104 thread on here for yonks. So do you really think I don't know this??

The GF100, and GF110 had greater DP performance for Tesla and Quadro cards.

The GF104 and GF114 were the basis of the consumer cards,ie,the GTX460 and GTX560/GTX560TI.

The GF100 and GF104 were delayed,so why did you think the GF110 and GF114 appeared so quickly??

The GK100 was cancelled by Nvidia,it was known for ages.

The GK110 was brought forward. Even the internal Nvidia naming contradicts what you are saying. They would call it a GK100 not a GK110 otherwise.

So,yes it is a second generation card,just like the GF110 and GF114 were second generation Fermi cards.

The GK114 will be a second generation Kepler card.
 
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If EK are making blocks i'm sure they will have plates as well.
Hopefully 00:00 we get a spam load of reviews and news about the card :D

Couple of minutes later Gibbo comes and posts a preorder price in the Graphics card section :D :D

dont they have a 5am nda lift or something?
 
Well, I don't think so. The GK110 was been specifically designed for the Tesla market. It's still first generation, just like the GK104. You can read about it in the GK110 whitepaper. It's based on the exact same architecture, just heavily modified for compute. It ain't second generation, sorry.

I don't make either of you right or wrong, both are right IMO. GK110 is still Kepler though and they should have learnt enough from GK104 to make Titan more efficent.
 
GK110 isn't incrementing on GK104 tho. I would hesitate to call it second generation Kepler its more like Kepler 1.5 (and not really even that) definitely not Kepler 2.0.
 
I don't make either of you right or wrong, both are right IMO. GK110 is still Kepler though and they should have learnt enough from GK104 to make Titan more efficent.

Generational changes are also down to how the shader clusters are arranged,so performance and efficiency can be improved. It does not mean the shaders have to be changed at a basic level at all.

GK110 isn't incrementing on GK104 tho. I would hesitate to call it second generation Kepler its more like Kepler 1.5 (and not really even that) definitely not Kepler 2.0.

The GK110 is an evolution of the cancelled GK100 not the GK104. The GK104 is the GK100 basic architecture distilled to a consumer card and is different. Don't forget the GK104 thread.

It was known for ages the GK100 was cancelled,and that the GK104 was launching first. This is very old news.

So,if the GF110/GF114 are considered second generation Fermi GPUs,so are the GK110/GK114 considered second generation Kepler GPUs. Trying to compare the GK104 to the GK110 is as relevant as comparing the GF110 to the GF104.

Nvidia keeps consistent naming strategies. So there is really no argument. They don't consider it first generation,so I don't understand why anyone should say otherwise.

If not write a letter of complaint to Nvidia about it.
 
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Sorry,but I updated the GK104 thread on here for yonks. So do you really think I don't know this??

The GF100, and GF110 had greater DP performance for Tesla and Quadro cards.

The GF104 and GF114 were the basis of the consumer cards,ie,the GTX460 and GTX560/GTX560TI.

The GF100 and GF104 were delayed,so why did you think the GF110 and GF114 appeared so quickly??

The GK100 was cancelled by Nvidia,it was known for ages.

The GK110 was brought forward. Even the internal Nvidia naming contradicts what you are saying. They would call it a GK100 not a GK110 otherwise.

So,yes it is a second generation card,just like the GF110 and GF114 were second generation Fermi cards.

The GK114 will be a second generation Kepler card.

WEll, obviously you don't. There is no differences between the Gk104 and the Gk110 apart from the fact that the Gk110 has much better compute capablility. IF you read the white paper on the card you would see that.

It has the exact same SMX's with 192 cuda cores the only difference is
the GK110 has 64 FP64 cuda cores.

The only changes that have been made have all been to make it a better HPC card.

There is nothing about the GK110 that suggest it's a second generation Kepler. Nothing.
 
Generational changes are also down to how the shader clusters are arranged,so performance and efficiency can be improved. It does not mean the shaders have to be changed at a basic level at all.



The GK110 is an evolution of the cancelled GK100 not the GK104. The GK104 is the GK100 basic architecture distilled to a consumer card and is different. Don't forget the GK104 thread.

It was known for ages the GK100 was cancelled,and that the GK104 was launching first. This is very old news.

So,if the GF110/GF114 are considered second generation Fermi GPUs,so are the GK110/GK114 considered second generation Kepler GPUs. Trying to compare the GK104 to the GK110 is as relevant as comparing the GF110 to the GF104.

Nvidia keeps consistent naming strategies. So there is really no argument. They don't consider it first generation,so I don't understand why anyone should say otherwise.

If not write a letter of complaint to Nvidia about it.

Just one thing is all wrong in this. The GK110 is a compute part, built from the ground up to be a compute part. Nvidia split their compute and gaming parts. The GK100 was supposed to be their high end gaming card but had to be cancelled. The GK110 is their high end tesla part.
 
WEll, obviously you don't. There is no differences between the Gk104 and the Gk110 apart from the fact that the Gk110 has much better compute capablility. IF you read the white paper on the card you would see that.

It has the exact same SMX's with 192 cuda cores the only difference is
the GK110 has 64 FP64 cuda cores.

The only changes that have been made have all been to make it a better HPC card.

There is nothing about the GK110 that suggest it's a second generation Kepler. Nothing.

Well,you don't even seem to understand the Nvidia naming strategy. You on purpose try to ignore the fact that there is no GK100,and the fact loads of rumours said it was cancelled and the GK110 brought forward.

So,Nvidia considers it second generation Kepler,but you don't. Perhaps you should complain to Nvidia as you don't understand how their internal GPU naming works.
 
Just one thing is all wrong in this. The GK110 is a compute part, built from the ground up to be a compute part. Nvidia split their compute and gaming parts. The GK100 was supposed to be their high end gaming card but had to be cancelled. The GK110 is their high end tesla part.

?? No,the GK100 was meant to be the compute part.

The GF100 was meant to be the compute part. The GF110 was meant to be the compute part.

The GF104/GF114/GK104 are all consumer parts.

Nvidia has done this split for years now,its not new.

If you don't seem to understand this,then the conversation stops here.

Nvidia considers it second generation,that is it.

Complain to Nvidia then if you don't like their naming methods.

Edit!!

Lets look at other consumer parts then.

GF106/GF116/GK106

All consistent.

I agree to disagree with you.
 
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WEll, obviously you don't. There is no differences between the Gk104 and the Gk110 apart from the fact that the Gk110 has much better compute capablility. IF you read the white paper on the card you would see that.

It has the exact same SMX's with 192 cuda cores the only difference is
the GK110 has 64 FP64 cuda cores.

The only changes that have been made have all been to make it a better HPC card.

There is nothing about the GK110 that suggest it's a second generation Kepler. Nothing.

The DP performance isn't a minor change, its a big change, and what suggests its a second generation kepler is that people talk about generations like its a huge thing. The "second gen" Fermi's were not much more than respun first gen ones, thats basically it, IE " we made a boo boo with our design resulting in lower yields and higher power, this is a "fix", not much else". Thats what the 580gtx, thats what the GK110 is, its a "fix" to GK100, which was so bad that it didn't even get a release like the 480gtx.

GK110 is as much a second generation kepler as the 580gtx was a second gen Fermi, ultimately its semantics, one person calls it a new gen, another person calls it a respin to improve yields, another person calls it a respin to fix the horrendously yielding first version... all the same thing here.

A Fermi 580gtx was barely different to a 480gtx in anything but yields, and a GK110 will be hardly any different to a GK100 in anything but yields most likely. Any major changes will happen for 20nm, this is a refresh, as the 580gtx was, in the general usage of the term generation.... the 580gtx wasn't a second gen Fermi and the GK110 isn't a second gen Kepler, they are just both fixes/slight tweaks mostly based around yields.


EDIT:- also, the GK110 wasn't built from the ground up to do compute, its the same basic architecture, these things are completely joined together, and there isn't a split from Nvidia in anything but marketing. Last gen the GF104/114 from what I can remember, had the same DF performance(at least on die, if it was lowered in drivers) as the high end parts, this gen they actually stripped parts to increase DF performance fully out of the lower end chips to save die space and power.

If anything I'd call the GK104 the consumer tweaked card, the GF104/114 were simply smaller versions of the top end chip with no functional difference, aside from marketing, and maybe drivers, they are essentially the same core.

There is more of a split this gen, to reduce die size, improve yields, and profits, because there really isn't much need for DF performance for home users, but this is a fairly basic tweak, most of the chip is the same architecture, same shaders, same rops, same everything. In no way can you call Gk110/104 chips built from the ground up for different things, its one design with a modular part to it where Nvidia can choose to add in some DP boosting parts.

Larrabee, or whatever the hell the latest one is called, is built from the ground up for compute, the GK110 isn't, it would indeed have been on sale as a consumer part, blowing AMD out of the water, if they could produce it in any sensible numbers for sensible prices, yields stopped it being sold as a gaming part up till now, nothing else.
 
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