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I'm buying a new case to build a PC from my old components (x2 3800+, 8800gt). This is then going to be given to someone else.

He's given me £30 for a new case, but I'm sure I can ask for another tenner, but beyond that it'll be my money I'm spending :p

I'm looking at http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CM-023-CM&groupid=701&catid=7&subcat=29 which looks decent and is well within the budget.

Couple general questions too:

a) Do you prefer your PSU mounted at the top or bottom of the case? Why?
b) Is it better to have the HDD mounts in-line with the case (not obstructing air intake fans), or better to have them turned 90 degrees for easier insertion/removal/cable management?
c) Are heavier steel cases normally quieter than lightweight alu ones?

Anyway, would like to hear what you think about cases in this price range. I've bought a CM 330 case for a cheap build before, and it seemed OK.
 
Having the PSU at the bottom is better, its away from the hot air (heat rises).

If the case has vents at the bottom then mount the PSU with the fan facing down, it pulls cold directly from outside and straight out the back.
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If theres no vents in the bottom just have it facing upwards so its pulling air from within the case and out the back.

As Big.Wayne would say, its "thermally advantaged" with the PSU in the bottom.
 
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stulid said:
Having the PSU at the bottom is better, its away from the hot air (heat rises).
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It's not so simple. Mounted correctly (fan underneath), the hot PSU components are at the top, next to the GFX cards. Heat from the PSU will therefore rise upwards into the case (although the PSU fan will exhaust some heat - not all).

If theres no vents in the bottom just have it facing upwards so its pulling air from within the case and out the back.
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Although I agree with some of what you said, there is no reason to ever mount the PSU upside-down (fan on top). This seems to be the worst way to mount it, in all honesty. See diagram.

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FoxEye said:
Although I agree with some of what you said, there is no reason to ever mount the PSU upside-down (fan on top). This seems to be the worst way to mount it, in all honesty. See diagram.
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A lot of Antec gaming cases have the PSU fan facing up its even in the FAQ's at Antec..

Worried about carpets? put the case on a desk or on a wooden plinth.

If mounting a PSU at the top of a case is a optimal design then why do no high end cases do this.
 
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A lot of Antec gaming cases have the PSU fan facing up its even in the FAQ's at Antec..

Worried about carpets? put the case on a desk or on a wooden plinth.

If mounting a PSU at the top of a case is a optimal design then why do no high end cases do this.
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The article I posted has one possible explanation:

When Intel designed the ATX form factor, the power supply fan was designated as the primary case fan. Being placed at the top of the case, a power supply could easily draw heat away from the hot CPU and VRM components, expelling it out the power supply’s rear panel. That’s also why ATX power supplies are mounted “upside-down”, with the circuit board on top and the lid on the bottom, so that a lid-mounted fan would also be on the bottom, drawing air out of the case and into the power supply.

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We excused the power supply location on our high-end build because the change was needed to put the radiator mount on top, accepting the sacrifices needed to achieve our liquid cooling aspirations. But the Centurion 590 doesn’t have enough space above the motherboard to mount a radiator in addition to fans, and our $1000 system uses air cooling anyway.

Unwilling to accept any information pointing to the inferiority of bottom-mounted power supplies, many readers have previously asked questions to invalidate this argument. The most common of these is “If there are so few advantages and so many disadvantages, why have so many companies made the change?” The answer is easy: Because buyers ask them to. Companies will produce whatever customers want, and the reason it took some so long to implement new designs applied long ago by competitors is that most manufacturers chose to wait out the trend, to see if it would stay around, not wanted to produce a design that would be rejected by a change in trends.

Another common question is “Well then, why does BTX have the power supply at the bottom”. The answer is that it doesn’t, at least not by Intel’s design. Some manufacturers have made the switch in their BTX cases for the same reason as above, that is, customer demand.
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Just to tear that article apart.

Moving the power supply to the bottom of the case has several negative effects. First, it takes the power supply’ fan away from the top, so that another fan has to be used to remove case heat, adding noise.
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Any good case will come with extra fans, noise? not really, you can get silent fans if you add one yourself.

Second, it makes cable management more difficult,
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Absolute ****, it makes it far easier, and a modular PSU also solves any issues.

This doesnt look tidy at all,
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often times with the ATX12V cable not reaching its motherboard connector.
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really?

Third, as the power supply casing warms up, it heats the graphics cards.
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Not enough to even give a moments thought.

drawing dusty air from under the case until it plugs up.
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Hello? dust filters, my case has one dedicated for the PSU, any good case will also.
 
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Hello? dust filters, my case has one dedicated for the PSU, any good case will also.
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OK, I'm going to narrow my search down to bottom-mounted with pull-out dust filters, or top-mounted PSUs.

It doesn't appear that the CM 430 or the Silverstone you linked have dust filters... can you confirm that?
 
stulid said:
Just to tear that article apart.



Any good case will come with extra fans, noise? not really, you can get silent fans if you add one yourself.



Absolute ****, it makes it far easier, and a modular PSU also solves any issues.

This doesnt look tidy at all,
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really?



Not enough to even give a moments thought.



Hello? dust filters, my case has one dedicated for the PSU, any good case will also.
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LMFAO stulid just use my messy case as an example!
 
And you can buy dust filters that are magnetic to attach directly to the bottom of any case on the outside.
 
"Silverstone 140mm Fan Grill & Filter Magnetic" was what I got, maybe google can help for links as OCers don't stock ;)

They are slightly bigger than needed but I had no space issues on 120mm gaps, would be issues if it was 3 fans in a row though that needed them added.
 
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instead of paying a lot of money for a magnetic filter, could you not get a thin filter that isnt magnetic and wedge it between the PSU and the case?
 
Reaper 392 said:
instead of paying a lot of money for a magnetic filter, could you not get a thin filter that isnt magnetic and wedge it between the PSU and the case?
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I'm also considering ease of removal for cleaning. It's got to be simple enough that it won't cause certain lazy people not to bother at all ;)
 
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