Geohot and Fail0verflow are getting sued

absolutely. Though without OtherOS i not sure if geohot and his merry men (snigger) would have left it alone eitirely, or if they would have tried to blow it open right from the very start.

Sony offer a (albeit limitied) feature that no other console had offered previously. The public approves.
Geohot hacks it and shows everybody what this features can do, delimited. The public approves.
Sony can see where this is likely to lead, sony remove the feature entirely. The public is angry.
Geohot blows the console open. The public approves once more, blaiming sony for removing Other OS.


sack of **** imo.
 
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Even if there is nothing they can do about it, would Sony be able to detect that a firmware is different than what it should be (by using the console on-line I mean)?
 
Piracy killed PC Gaming?

How about...

Internet gaming consoles that puts everyone on a level playing field ( same spec ) and makes it hassle free to play with friends.

Maybe this took away some of the PC marketshare.
 
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Oh this is just brilliant! From PSX-Scene (I HAVE REMOVED ALL LINKS)

Dave Touretzky, a Research Professor in the Computer Science Department and the Center for the Neural Basis of Cognition at Carnegie Mellon University, has challenged Sony's legal standing in the case against PS3 hackers and mirrored Geohot's site on the university's servers.

Here is a working mirror of Geohot.com with all the files and the private key, hosted by Carnegie Mellon's servers.

On top of that, there is also a mirror of Team failoverflow's github project page.

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Mirror of GeoHot's PS3 Jailbreak -- January 11, 2011

Our friends at Sony are having another bad day: i.e., doing something breathtakingly stupid, presumably because they don't know any better. This time they're suing George Hotz for publishing PS3 jailbreak information, as reported by EnGadget and Attack of the Fan Boy. Hotz's jailbreak allows PS3 owners to run the software of their choice on a machine they have legally purchased. His site is geohot.com.

Free speech (and free computing) rights exist only for those determined to exercise them. Trying to suppress those rights in the Internet age is like spitting in the wind.

We will help our friends at Sony understand this by mirroring the geohot jailbreak files at Carnegie Mellon.

GeoHot Mirror

Click here for usage instructions.

Note to Sony lawyers: No doubt you're eager to rack up another billable hour by sending legal threats to me and my university. Before you go down that unhappy road, check out what happened the last time a large corporation tried to stop the mirroring of technical information here: The Gallery of CSS Descramblers. Have you learned anything in ten years?

David S. Touretzky
Research Professor of Computer Science
Carnegie Mellon University
Pittsburgh, PA 15213
This guy has successfully fought Scientology before, and was involved in the DeCSS case!
He's well known in freedom of information circles!

#MIRROR 1: (Carnegie Mellon) -> keys open doors

#MIRROR 2: just to provide some more redundancy: -> keys open doors
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james.miller said:
absolutely. Though without OtherOS i not sure if geohot and his merry men (snigger) would have left it alone eitirely, or if they would have tried to blow it open right from the very start.

Sony offer a (albeit limitied) feature that no other console had offered previously. The public approves.
Geohot hacks it and shows everybody what this features can do, delimited. The public approves.
Sony can see where this is likely to lead, sony remove the feature entirely. The public is angry.
Geohot blows the console open. The public approves once more, blaiming sony for removing Other OS.


sack of **** imo.
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Short-sightedness on Sony's part for including OtherOS?
 
james.miller said:
I'll offer you another perspective, geohot was responsible for trying to open the console up when he / they decided that what sony offered with OtherOS (limited functionality, limited access to the gpu ect) wasnt good enough. If geohot hadnt of blown it open in the first place, otherOS would still be here now.
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It was actually Sony releasing a PS3 without OtherOS (the Slim) which was the trigger point. If they had included OtherOS in the Slim then they most likely wouldn't have had teams like Fail0verflow working on it.

Those suggesting if they'd hadn't included OtherOS at all this wouldn't have happened; I don't believe they utilised OtherOS to work out the flaw in the key generation, after all they did their work on an OtherOS'less Slim. Sony's internal security has also been a massive weak link for the PS3, the number of technical documents and development tools that leaked out were unforgivable.
 
TheVoice said:
Not a chance, they're not going to appease to the people who have just potentially cost them a lot of money and trouble.
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Well if they had A)Done the security properly and B) Allowed linux proper access to the hardware instead of this 'sandbox' affair then what reasons would these homebrew people have to go and try and get more out of the system? Answer is quite simply NONE. They would have NO reason to as it would gain them nothing. Personally I don't care, I own a slim for the sole reason of playing GT5 and streaming media with PS3 Media Server, so I really don't care about this or linux, but others do.

Sony has been monumentally stupid on the way they went about this. If they had done it all properly from the get go this situation simply would not have happened. They have been lazy and half arsed, you simply cannot argue about this fact.

I think it's a shame that it's been hacked as it's going to spoil the enjoyment of others and if Sony is really going to attempt to close this then it also WILL impact on others like me with stupid ****ing restrictions like, possibly, the ability to change the HD (because we can't do USB updates).

This, depending on how Sony handle this will either end in tears because they **** up the response and alienate ALL PS3 users or they don't bother because they can't do anything and people start cheating.

If they learn anything from this then the PS4 will have the security done properly and also the Linux ability back again [edit: see Post 114 for better explanation of my reasoning for this].
 
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Lol, following this closely is hilarious. Geohot seems to have a good defence lawyer on side. Sony are trying to create evidence to use against Geohot, they sent him a $1 'donation' via Paypal, even though he has expressly said on several occasions (including on his website) the he doesn't accept donations.
 
Concorde Rules said:
If they learn anything from this then the PS4 will have the security done properly and also the Linux ability back again, simple as that.
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Wow thats naive - for whatever reasons Sony decided to offer Linux it isnt ever going to happen again - they got burnt trying to provide a feature that wasnt needed of a console and Im 100% sure they wont make that mistake again...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
Well we can now create our own gold master discs, signed sealed and delivered, good for the scene, devastating for the playstation brand. In my honest opinion this is the end for playstation. Anyone can now set up shop in china and run off signed copies of retail blu-rays that will run on any console with the public none the wiser, possibly the worst and most devastating hack ever achieved.

Christmas 2009 people proved, in a somewhat misguided way, that if they chose, anyone could be number one. This year Sony are learning the hard way not to get on the wrong side of the community. I dont condone it, i lament it, but by god am I glad that someone has done it!
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This won't happen. Blu-rays still know the difference between properly pressed disks and Blank BDs.

Unlike the 360 the PS3s blu ray drive hasn't been compromised so the only way to play pirated games is through the hard drive.
 
ps3ud0 said:
Wow thats naive - for whatever reasons Sony decided to offer Linux it isnt ever going to happen again - they got burnt trying to provide a feature that wasnt needed of a console and Im 100% sure they wont make that mistake again...

ps3ud0 :cool:
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So what exactly is going to stop the people who *want* to use the console for homebrew? Nothing. Everything is hackable, it just takes time.

Not naive at all tbqfh.

I'd like to point out now that all of this does not bother me me at all, so I have no reason to take sides what so ever, I'm just taking a board overview on the matter.

If Fail0verflow are to be believed then they wouldn't have hacked the bloody thing.

Got to take in the bigger picture here, if people with the ability to hack a console WANT to hack a console THEY WILL.

They are even hacking bloody eReaders for christ sake, why on earth wouldn't they want to crack a PS4?!

Let me use a clear flow chart to demonstrate my point:

1. 'Sandbox' linux --> Homebrew people want proper access to the hardware --> They find a way --> Sony removes Linux completely --> They hack the console --> Sony is now stuffed.
2. Proper hardware access linux --> Homebrew people are happy --> Console doesn't get hacked by these people.
3. No hardware access --> People hack the hardware --> Sony are screwed.

Now in fairness, it could be said that option 2. would be cracked by people who want to pirate. However if you remove the people with the ability to hack it but have no reason to do so means that the skill base and the amount of man hours available to crack it decreases which in turn reduces the probability of the hardware being cracked.

It's simply NOT a case of saying not including linux is a good idea because ultimately it will end up at the same stage - the console being hacked to allow it to happen!!!
 
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Re-read my post and realise what you originally suggested isnt anything like your reply ;). Trust me your original idea was very naive, especially if it was the removal of the feature that supposedly broke the camels back...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
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sony have bent over backwards to make the ps3 pretty verstile in console terms...bluetooth, usb keyboard mouse support, bloody linux!

i hope these ****ers get proper jailtime, there is ZERO excuse for hacking a console and just creates massive amounts of piracy.

regardless its gonna be funny seeing people download 25gb+ to then shove on a usb stick...lmao and then sony patching this and no doubt banning all the consoles in due course with then said people complaining that they cant play on their ps3's anymore and somehow justifying the illegal download of a game or two :o

Concorde Rules said:
Sony has been monumentally stupid on the way they went about this. If they had done it all properly from the get go this situation simply would not have happened. They have been lazy and half arsed, you simply cannot argue about this fact.
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you can argue with your statement, because your talking out of your ass. Sony has the best security out there, and only now its being broken? says to me that they did a lot right, you dont just fluke security like that - clearly not lazy or half arsed as you would like to believe.
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
you can argue with your statement, because your talking out of your ass. Sony has the best security out there, and only now its being broken? says to me that they did a lot right, you dont just fluke security like that - clearly not lazy or half arsed as you would like to believe.
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You need to read whats out there - Sonys security was effectively me leaving the vault keys to Fort Knox under the welcome mat...

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
jamie2497 said:
This won't happen. Blu-rays still know the difference between properly pressed disks and Blank BDs.

Unlike the 360 the PS3s blu ray drive hasn't been compromised so the only way to play pirated games is through the hard drive.
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and what pray tell is to stop them pressing discs from a gold master in china? You think maybe the publishing companies use some form of magic machines to create silvers?

The reason you cant just copy games and have them work is because missing information (encryption keys) exist only on the gold master disc. Now that the keys are out masters can be made and mass production can occur.
 
Ultra_Extreme said:
and what pray tell is to stop them pressing discs from a gold master in china? You think maybe the publishing companies use some form of magic machines to create silvers?

The reason you cant just copy games and have them work is because missing information (encryption keys) exist only on the gold master disc. Now that the keys are out masters can be made and mass production can occur.
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That doesn't sound right at all, or even make sense if you think it through, do you have a source for that info?

Surely all copies of a disk should be identical to the Master? How can any 'key' information on that affect the 'pressing' of each disk, unless each disk was actually different? and I doubt that is the case...

I suspect what stops them copying them is the un-writeable sections of a BR disk that are only able to be pressed by the legit kit, the BR reader can read these, and it contains extra authentication info, the same as the 360 in essence?
 
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iamtheoneneo said:
i hope these ****ers get proper jailtime
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LOL, like that's going to happen.

iamtheoneneo said:
regardless its gonna be funny seeing people download 25gb+ to then shove on a usb stick...
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What are you blithering on about?

iamtheoneneo said:
and then sony patching this
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Patching what? This isn't an exploit, SONY'S PS3 ROUTE KEY AND ALL OTHER PS3 KEYS ARE OUT AND IN THE WILD. This CAN NOT be 'patched out'.


iamtheoneneo said:
Sony has the best security out there, and only now its being broken? says to me that they did a lot right, you dont just fluke security like that - clearly not lazy or half arsed as you would like to believe.
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Of course it was lazy and half-arsed. Sony used the same 'random number' over and over when signing software. That is monumental stupidity. Add to that the multiple security ****ups of the console itself, and yes, it was very much a lazy and half-arsed job.
 
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