German Grand Prix 2014, Hockenheim - Race 10/19

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Hockenheim

The original Hockenheim circuit was built in 1939 as a high-speed test track for Mercedes-Benz, who needed a venue to test for the Tripoli Grand Prix. It was almost eight kilometres long and was formed of two long, curved straights with a long corner at either end.

When war broke out the construction was halted and in the post-war years the Nurburgring became the venue for Formula One racing in Germany, with Hockenheim hosting a few smaller events. When a plan to build an autobahn through the circuit was approved, the government supplied Hockenheim with a large sum by way of compensation. This money was used to build a new track, the now famous Hockenheim circuit, which cut through the forest before looping into the wonderful stadium section around which large grandstands were erected.

In 1968 Hockenheim hit the headlines when Jim Clark was killed there in an F2 race. Nevertheless, with the Nurburgring quickly becoming outdated, Formula One racing came to the track in 1970. Once the Nurburgring had been modernised, however, the sport returned there, leaving Hockenheim with national and F2 events.

But after Niki Lauda suffered horrific burns at the Nurburgring in 1976, Hockenheim became the home of the German Grand Prix. It too, however, was not without dangers. In 1980 Patrick Depailler was killed in testing at the track, and a chicane was put in to break up the fast Ostkurve, while in a 1982 crash Ferrari's Didier Pironi suffered terrible injuries to his legs.

In 2002 the long runs through the forest were done away with and the layout of the track was heavily modified. Despite arguments that it had lost some of its character, the first race at the new circuit was deemed a great success and the venue has remained a regular feature on the F1 calendar ever since.

And with the success in recent years of local heroes Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel, the German Grand Prix at Hockenheim has become one of the most atmospheric races of the season, with the noise from fans in the stadium section being almost deafening at times.


TV Times

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Track Diagram & Information

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Live Timing

http://www.formula1.com/live_timing/


Weather Forecast

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Technical Changes

http://www.formula1.com/news/technical/


Germany Preview Quotes

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2014/7/16078.html


WDC Standings

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Constructors' Championship Standings

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Practice 1

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Practice 2

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Practice 3

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Qualifying

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Race

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Woooooohoooooooooooooo Formula 1 Weekend :D

I like this track, quite technical with a couple of longish straights, tests the engineers and drivers out.

Heard that Mclaren are bringing a big update ahead of schedule after positive wind tunnel and CDF correlation from the Austria upgrade, coupled with the better than expected performance at Silverstone.

Can't wait :D
 
Probably going to miss this one since I am off on holiday. Will just catch up with the result. Hope Hamilton wins here - it would really demoralise Rosberg.

lol @ the mclaren comment. They come out with the same PR rubbish every race and rarely have anything to show for it. Do your talking on the track I say.
 

Am I missing something here, people are talking about no need for changes because Mclaren are doing better than expected..... where precisely would they have been without Williams/Ferrari qualifying screw ups, Kimi hitting the wall, Massa being knocked out, Alonso not starting from so far back and Rosberg's car not dying?

The ferrari looked pretty damn good actually under ALonso, starting from say 5-10th somewhere, and not having a penalty I think the Ferrari could have beaten them easily. Massa would have beaten them easily also and Rosberg is a no brainer. Meaning effectively Button would have been looking at 8th or so which is where they've been. 6th-12th depending on track.

I really don't see where Mclaren improved dramatically, bunch of other cars crashing or failing out really doesn't scream drastic improvement to me. It's a bit like saying Marussia are fast now because they got a point.....

I would say that Merc are getting faster, Williams have made huge strides in out right pace, with Bottas showing it could blow everything away. The gap between Williams ultimate pace and Mclaren seems to have increased significantly to me.
 
It's weird how you Jenson and Hamilton fans keep baiting each other and trying to get a rise. It's not like you are even rivals for the same piece of racetrack, yet every race thread is the same, little barbs here and there.

As for the race, can't see past Hamilton winning unless he has an issue, same with Rosberg for 2nd. Shall be watching it in a bar in Cyprus :)
 
It's weird how you Jenson and Hamilton fans keep baiting each other and trying to get a rise. It's not like you are even rivals for the same piece of racetrack, yet every race thread is the same, little barbs here and there.

As for the race, can't see past Hamilton winning unless he has an issue, same with Rosberg for 2nd. Shall be watching it in a bar in Cyprus :)

The Button/Hamilton arguing has got very tiresome so keep out of these threads most of the time, can unserstand why Duke stopped doing them. Well done guys.
 
Heard that Mclaren are bringing a big update ahead of schedule after positive wind tunnel and CDF correlation from the Austria upgrade, coupled with the better than expected performance at Silverstone.

Can't wait :D

McLaren have been saying this sort of thing every race for about the last 5 years :p
 
It's weird how you Jenson and Hamilton fans keep baiting each other and trying to get a rise. It's not like you are even rivals for the same piece of racetrack, yet every race thread is the same, little barbs here and there.

As for the race, can't see past Hamilton winning unless he has an issue, same with Rosberg for 2nd. Shall be watching it in a bar in Cyprus :)

The Button/Hamilton arguing has got very tiresome so keep out of these threads most of the time, can unserstand why Duke stopped doing them. Well done guys.

Did you get your high horses on a bulk buy?

Its just the traditional smr pre race McLaren/Button optimism with traditional responses. He knows exactly what he'd doing when he posts them, and that all the responses are in jest. Obviously the joke has passed you bye...
 
You've got to admit Skeeter, the joke (such as it ever was) is wearing pretty bloody thin at this point. I know I can't be bothered wading 'round it to get to the odd decent post.

Back on topic - anyone else wish that they hadn't cut the old forest section out of this track? Would have been great this year with reliability still a bit iffy from the new engine rules! And with those long blasts between chicanes, there would be pretty much no need for DRS.
 
About as thin as the constant complaints every weekend from people who claim they never come in here. Only 11 posts in on a Tuesday has got to be a record. Complaining the threads are ruined seems to be the new 'thing'.

Back on topic - The old layout would have needed some major improvements to meet the FIAs safety standards, but it was a right hoot. But the new hairpin does add an overtaking opportunity that the old layout needed. Maybe they should have kept the forest section but made the far end of it a hairpin?

It makes you wonder why so many modern tracks are a bit poo, when there has been a plethora of epic old circuits to take inspiration from.
 
It makes you wonder why so many modern tracks are a bit poo, when there has been a plethora of epic old circuits to take inspiration from.

Cost.

Due to the immense cost of creating a new circuit the owners would want to make them all as flexible as possible. Just look at Abu Dhabi for example - the track has multiple layout options, a dragstrip etc. This means that it can be utilised for as many purposes and activities as possible.

Now look at the old epic tracks such as Suzuka, Spa etc..these are (on the whole) a single layout with minimal options.
 

A proper car breaker circuit :)

The old layout would have needed some major improvements to meet the FIAs safety standards but it was a right hoot. But the new hairpin does add an overtaking opportunity that the old layout needed. Maybe they should have kept the forest section but made the far end of it a hairpin?

As in, extended it down at the Ostkurve and brought it to a hairpin point? I guess that could have worked. Would still have the 'problem' of getting spectators in there though, which was probably the main reason why they chopped the track up rather than any noble thoughts about improving safety!

It makes you wonder why so many modern tracks are a bit poo, when there has been a plethora of epic old circuits to take inspiration from.

To be fair, quite a few of the modern tracks are halfway decent layouts. It's just a combination of overly forgiving run-off areas and crap car construction rules that make them boring. Though I'd happily see the Abu Dhabi, Bahrain and Singapore circuits left off the calendar in favour of going somewhere decent. And I may add Sochi to that list yet.

Oh, and they need to put Silverstone back to the way it was and tell the bikes to bugger off to some other track if they think it's a bit dangerous.


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Here we go - from the last year before Formula One started the sad, slow decline down to the crap we have today. Berger vs Blundell, 1993.


Hey, how about that? Drivers able to dice with each other without incurring a penalty, cars that don't look like they've been worked on with the ugly wrench (though that Ferrari paintscheme was a bit Dallara-ish!), and it was still a decent fight even though the engines weren't remotely equal in power or design.
 
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Oh, and they need to put Silverstone back to the way it was and tell the bikes to bugger off to some other track if they think it's a bit dangerous.

They should just do what they have at Catalunya, putting the option of wider, more sweeping corners in for a different layout when bikes use the circuit.

But I agree with comments above, the best circuits are generally the old ones. Getting them changed into the new boring style with a million variations, specific turns where overtaking is possible is just going to leave us with a complete yawnfest.

And put Imola back on the calendar! :D
 
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